[Digestion] Digestate

Tue Dec 6 01:15:16 CST 2011

Dear Jim, Krishna et al.,
soils behave differently in the tropics and in the colder regions. Because
of wasm weather, the microbes are much more active in the tropics than in
the colder regions. All the text books from the temperate countries talk of
humus. Nobody mentions it in India, because our fields do not have a layer
of humus. The top soil (i.e. the top 10 cm) is more fertile than the lower
layers in India because the leaves, flowers and animal dung fall on the
surface of the soil and they serve as food for the microbes in the top
soil. As a result, the top soil has the maximum number of microbes. It is a
well known fact that the population density of microbes in the soil is
positively correlated with soil fertility.
Yours
A.D.Karve

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Jim McNelly <jim at composter.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Murali Krishna <bmkrishna6 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Good day Alex,
>>
>> Undoubtedly the spent slurry is the best nutrient source to plants/crops,
>> provided that necessary care is taken, and it is free from pathogens and in
>> the available form.  "All soils have all the nutrients necessary for
>> healthy plant growth" holds good only when  the surface top  layer (12
>> inches) is with some flora fauna and the soil is  not overdrawn. Now a days
>> we witness this situation only in Forest Regions.  When an ideal living
>> conditions do exist even the small amount of macro and micro organisms
>> would multiply and even the undigested portion of the digestate will be
>> brought into available form by the microbes. To bring the hidden stored
>> reserves from the bottom layers of the soils (upto 20 feet depth) we need
>> again some species like earthworms, etc.   For all this to happen we need
>> some carbonaceous material and which is converted into humus by macro and
>> micro flora and fauna.  The humus is an essential link. Building soil
>> reserves is essential so that our future generations will have something to
>> eat .  If I am right all the magic is done in the top surface area of the
>> soil in and around the feeder roots (even transmutation).
>>
>> When a human is sick we put him on drip it does not meant we will survive
>> on drip without having balanced food to build blood and muscle,  so is the
>> available form of nutrients.  The need of the hour is to conserve soils and
>> build reserves that is possible with some amount of carbonaceous materials
>> then and only  then as Dr. Karve had said microbes will take care
>> everything.  If any system is working anywhere without carbonaceous
>> material we can assume that there are still some reserves in the top soil
>> and some humus.
>>
>> We have almost drawn out reserves and it is high time we build a  deposit
>> while drawing limited funds for day to day needs leaving behind some amount
>> of reserve every year. This is the way our forefathers gave us richest
>> soils!
>>
>> Krishna
>>
>>  *
>> *
>>
> Krishna
>
> This sounds nice, but the fact is that digestate is toxic to plants. If
> you were to take digestate and try and plant seeds in it, none would come
> up. You have to apply digestate at least five months into the soil prior to
> planting seeds, at modest application rates to enable soil microbes to
> further decompose the organic matter so that plants can grow.  This means
> apply in the fall to plant in the spring.
>
> You mention earthworms....  If you were to try to feed digestate to
> earthworms, they would die within hours. As such the ASTM Earthworm Contact
> Test would fail the anaerobically digested organic material as unstable or
> unsuitable for unrestricted distribution.
>
> It is aerobically digested solids that plants like and earthworms like;
> not anerobically digested solids. In my experience, organic matter is best
> utilized by plants following aerobic digestion.
>
> Anaerobic digestion makes biogas. Aerobic digestion makes plant food.
>
> Your comments are correct as to the importance of organic matter in the
> soil, but should be qualified as to whether or not these organics are
> applied following anaerobic or aerobic digestion, and if anaerobic, then
> with sufficient time in the soil for aerobes to convert the organics into
> usable forms for plants.
>
>
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