<div>Dear Chanakya and Hooroo,</div>
<div>A lot of people devised perpetual motion systems, which never worked because they were closed systems. The losses of energy due to mechanical friction, gavitational pull, and other causes slowed down and eventually stopped the motion. But the natural systems, where green plants are involved, are open systems, into which energy gets pumped in from outside in the form of sunshine and raw materials enter the system in the form of carbon dioxide, soil minerals and rainfall. They are thus designed to work perpetually and we should take advantage of this phenomenon.</div>
<div>Yours</div>
<div>A.D.Karve <br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 7:36 AM, Paul Harris <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul.harris@adelaide.edu.au">paul.harris@adelaide.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">G'day All,<br><br>We do get on to some interesting topics!<br><br>Of course there are losses in the integrated biosystem that have to be made<br>
up by rainfall, sunshine and gas transfer, plus whatever nutrients are<br>exported in produce will eventually have to be made up (no, I'm not trying<br>to restart a previous thread - please!). It depends where you draw the<br>
boundary and how tight the boundary is. I once gave a paper about Integrated<br>biosystems and pointed out that Adelaide (where the Conference was) was a<br>"loose" integrated biosystem as lot's of products crossed the boundary but<br>
Planet Earth is a "tight" integrated biosystem as very little enters or<br>leaves the biosphere. I can't find that paper just now, but here is an<br>Integrated Biosystems one if you want some brief information <<br>
<a href="http://www.adelaide.edu.au/biogas/website/integratedbiosys.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.adelaide.edu.au/biogas/website/integratedbiosys.pdf</a> or PowerPoint<br><a href="http://www.adelaide.edu.au/biogas/website/IntegratedBiosystems.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.adelaide.edu.au/biogas/website/IntegratedBiosystems.pdf</a>>.<br>
<br>Happy digesting,<br>HOOROO<br><br>Mr. Paul Harris, Room S116b, Waite Main Building Faculty of Sciences, The <br>University of Adelaide, Waite Campus, PMB 1, Glen Osmond SA 5064 Ph : +61<br>8 8303 7880 Fax : +61 8 8303 4386<br>
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Chanakya<br>Sent: Sunday, 21 November 2010 10:04 PM<br>To: For Discussion of Anaerobic Digestion<br>Subject: [Digestion] the perpetual motion machine<br><br>The grand perpetual motion machine symptoms,<br>Not really - what you need to see is that there will be losses and<br>
leakages from this "grand system" and to keep it running you need to<br>reduce your energy losses to minimum and have practically no N losses. At<br>some scale your dream will come true. Then of course comes the cost --><br>
where you need to decide if it is worth it afterall.<br>best wishes<br>chanakya<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Digestion mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br>
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