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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi there! I believe that the
Phill unit is coming back on the market again soon? <A
href="http://www.cnginfoguide.com/node/26">http://www.cnginfoguide.com/node/26</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is a hang on the wall unit that
will refill the tank on a car or truck over night. It does
not require extra cylinder storage. This is the cheapest way I
know of to make CNG. To get rid of the CO2 and H2S
needs a separate </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>single stage of compression in water via a drum
packed full.of bashed up old rusty tin cans. Q.V. the MAF brochures
on my website. <A
href="http://www.coffee.20m.com/Publications.htm">http://www.coffee.20m.com/Publications.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ken Calvert. </FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=bingham@zekes.com href="mailto:bingham@zekes.com">bingham</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=digestion@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:digestion@lists.bioenergylists.org">For Discussion of Anaerobic
Digestion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 24, 2010 9:36
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Digestion] Compressing of
biogas</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>On the ranch where I lived as a child: the water
system was a stream from the top of a small mountain. We
placed a black</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>poly plastic pipe in the water at the top and
ran it to a tank at the house near the bottom of the
mountain.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2> The excess water ran to </FONT><FONT
face=Corbel size=2>the pond. We were repairing the tank one summer (years
later) and turned the valve</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>at the bottom the black pipe line off ,for
the first time. In a short time the valve blew off. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>It gave me the idea to hooking the line directly
to the house and eliminating the water pressure pump. The water
lines</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>continued to burst from the water pressure. It
turned out the water was over 100PSI and the water heater was</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>always full of high pressure air. As the water
was pulled into the pipe at the top by the siphoning action of water
falling</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>due to gravity (energy source), it was
pulling in air. As the air and water (liquid) mixture traveled down the
pipe the </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>weight of the water compressed </FONT><FONT
face=Corbel size=2>the air (the gas). I eventually placed pressure reducing
valves in the plastic line.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>The old rock quarry up the canyon from the
house used steam to power the saws and drills.I originally
put an old steam </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>tank in the pipe to remove </FONT><FONT
face=Corbel size=2>the air but the pressure pop off kept blowing. I
rebuild one of the old flywheels that ran the </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>belt saws and hooked it to the compressed air
coming from the steam tank. I thought I would start the quarry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>and get rich but that never paid off. I found an
old electric generator and hooked it to the belt and we had
nearly</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>free electricity. One idea lead to an
other and several things developed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>This all took years but it resulted in a lot of
research and a few more ideas of on gravity, hydraulic pressure and
how</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>it could be used. The world is full of old mines
and mountains. Finding the liquid is a problem. You do not always
have</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>water at the top of a mountain or at a mine
opening. Developing better ways to separate the liquid form the Gas
has</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>been a long process. You must be in
the right place to apply the process. There are many versions and
variations</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>that can be applied to many energy dependant
systems. We used this process to pump water out of a flooded
mine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>Turns out old fashioned water pumps that ran on
steam are very practical to run on compressed air.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>Brent</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=alex@sistemabiobolsa.com
href="mailto:alex@sistemabiobolsa.com">Alexander Eaton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=digestion@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:digestion@lists.bioenergylists.org">For Discussion of Anaerobic
Digestion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:25
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Digestion] Compressing of
biogas</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=2>snip</FONT><BR></DIV>I am afraid I am a bit
lost regarding the shaft compression method you are discussing here.
In what situation would one have a large shaft available? How are you
mixing the gas and liquid with no energy? How are you then separating
them effectively? Is this something that you are using commonly?
I am having trouble understanding how this is all being fed into a pipe,
with no gas leaks, and then the gas is being forced downward, somehow in
sustained suspension in the liquid. How is this "feeding" with no
energy? What liquid are you using? How do you have two power
sources? Are you somehow capturing the kinetic energy of the liquid in
a turbine? More information please! <BR><BR>snip</BLOCKQUOTE>
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