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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>Ruben,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>It seem you are working with a set of assumptions,
many on the list share but I do not. I offer as an example:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>"more modest energy use" seems to be a way of saying manipulate the costs
and AD would be feasible.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>"<FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">living within
our (energy) means" indicates many assumptions: rationing and or
redistribution.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>"<FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">extended
fossil fuel binge" is a relative statement that is subjective
and not supported by objective facts.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>"<FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">untold cost
to the planet's habitability & stability" global warming has been debunked
as junk science produced</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>by a group of co conspirators paid to produce a set of data which would
support an pre conceived agenda.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>"AD......<FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">will
compete more favorably as we enter the post Peak Oil period " It was on US TV
today 1-19-11 and read</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>into the Federal Register that it has been determined that there has been
found enough energy under the western United</DIV>
<DIV>States to last the US 30 years at its Peak Oil use.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>It would perhaps be more productive to focus on
areas in which we might agree and are less counterseal. I am not one of
those</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>who feel humans have or could have any
meaningful effect on the worlds temperature through energy consumption. I am
steel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>focused on the study that reviled we could not
measure the effect on the world if the world went back to 1960
consumption levels.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>We were told to remove all of our incandescent
bulbs and replace them with CFL's (compact florescent) to save the world
from global </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>worming. Now we find thy </FONT><FONT size=2
face=Corbel>are a significant risk to the environment and if you break one it is
a 3 hour process to clean it up, with major </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>health risks involved. Not </FONT><FONT size=2
face=Corbel>to mention they do not last nearly as long as they first claimed.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>AD has a places and is the best answer in many
under or less developed areas. We do not need to manipulate the facts to reach
that </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>conclusion. AD is a good solution for many animal
and livestock operations regardless of location. AD is a good alternative in
areas</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>where septic tanks or open ditches are the
only sewage disposal options. AD is a good fit in many industrial
applications no matter</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>what the cost of energy is, now or in the
future.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>B</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=9watts@gmail.com href="mailto:9watts@gmail.com">Reuben Deumling</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 19, 2011 1:26
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Digestion] Biogas
conversation rates</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Alexander Eaton <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:alex@sistemabiobolsa.com">alex@sistemabiobolsa.com</A>></SPAN>
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class=gmail_quote> In fact, biogas would be a more feasible option in
the industrialized world if its modest energy production were paired with a
more modest energy use. This is not a political view, but <B>a
holistic view of how energy programs should be implemented</B>. Those
of us who work in renewable energy should always examine opportunities for
efficiency as part of our projects to make the energy production more
significant. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>Well put. <BR><BR>Renewable energy presents an opportunity to grasp what
living within our (energy) means might look like. The extended fossil fuel
binge we've been on has been lots of fun for some, but has come at untold cost
to the planet's habitability & stability, not to mention the scale and
patterns of human habitation it has inspired. AD is not something we could
hope to scale up to match current demand for heating and cooking fuels
worldwide, but it could and likely will compete more favorably as we enter the
post Peak Oil period when the notion that all that good stuff in the ground
was free or there for the taking will fade into memory.<BR><BR>I think we may
re-discover the importance of scale, of matching the fuel to the end use, of
sufficiency, of enough. <BR><BR>Reuben Deumling<BR></DIV><BR></DIV>
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