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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>I guess you are not going to let this go away?
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>I guess you do not support the current regime?????
The Obomanietes say corn ethanol is the liquid answer to replacing the oil they
are shutting off. Like I said </FONT><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>last evening, the
current regime spent 7 billion last year and is spending billions more
this year to prove it is the answer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">List the
actual damage <FONT size=2 face=Corbel>"t</FONT><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman">he worst oil spill in US history", caused. How many sea
birds died. How much beach actually got damaged</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>from that seep and not natural seepage. You pushed another button assuming
the propaganda you get from liberal media sources has some bases in
fact.</DIV>
<DIV>Do you realize the dead birds you saw on CNN was the same bird shown over
100 times. Less than 90 birds were found dead from all causes during that
time.</DIV>
<DIV>Less than 30 sea mammals were found dead and that was from all causes which
included kills from being ran over by the boats trying to prove</DIV>
<DIV>damage. I lived for 2 years on the Gulf. We dove several days a week off
the shallow water oil platforms. Thousands of gallons of crude oil and untold
amounts of natural gas bubble up off the bottom of the Gulf daily from
natural seeps. By some estimates the pressure under the sea floor is in the
thousands of PSI. If the oil rigs had not been drilling holes for
decades, that have relieved some of that pressure, the
amount of oil lost during <FONT size=2 face=Corbel>"t</FONT><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman">he worst oil spill in US history", would have been
minuscule by comparison. As it is many of the Universities doing the research
estimate <FONT size=2 face=Corbel>"t</FONT><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman">he worst oil spill in US history", takes place about
every 45 days from the natural seeps. The original holes were drilled in the
areas oil was discovered coming up off the bottom.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>"emissions from fossil fuel warms the planet" ok prove it!!!! Go to those
you hold in high esteem and get there quotes, of what the results would be if
ALL fossil fuel burning stopped today. How much cooler will we get and how many
life times will it take to see this result? Last estimate I saw, it was less
than 1/100th of one degree F and it would take 100 years to see even that
change. I believe that scientists estimate that greenhouse gasses from
natural sources, (volcanoes, geological sources and animals) far exceed all
manmade sources combined.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>"<FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">subsidizing
clean energy" does not make it "more viable". They must take that money from
some one to give it to someone else. It only creates a false economic
system. That money must be paid back eventually. How do
you pick which "clean energy"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>is worthy of this subsidy? You contradict your leader and say ETOH is not
worthy. Is solar????? the sun goes down every day. The hazardous waste from
solar panels is hundreds of times more toxic than the chemicals found in
oil!!!!!!! The batteries to store solar energy are toxic and the factories that
make them are subsidized. Is wind the answer???? What do we do when the
wind stops????</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> "I hope you will reconsider", that barrowing billions more from the
Chicoms so the current regime can give it out for</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>"</FONT><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman">subsidizing clean energy " so the "clean energy" can turn
around and by more of the Chicoms wind turbines, solar panels and clean
energy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>products is a false economic system, so they can loan it back. At some
point the Chicoms will want more than just the interest on their money, some day
all that money used for <FONT size=2 face=Corbel>"</FONT><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman">subsidizing clean energy" must be paid back. Where will
it come from????? We will always need oil or coal or natural gas </FONT>to: make
tires for our subsidized electric cars, lubricating oil and grease for
the gears in the subsidized wind turbines , gas to make
glass and toxic rare earth metals to make subsidized solar panels, Oil
to make the plastic and chemicals for the subsidized AD
systems, Diesel to mine the copper to make wires to move the power from the
<FONT size=2 face=Corbel>things we are "</FONT><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman">subsidizing clean energy" to get.</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>Like I said who chooses what clean energy to
subsidize????? Jimmy Carter started subsidizing ETOH in the 60's. 40 years later
we are subsidizing it even more</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>and it is less viable to day than it ever was. I
am more against barrowing money to prove a point now than I ever was. The
money you are talking about giving away is not your money. If it was I am sure
you would be a better steward of it. The money the current regime is giving
away, my kids and grand kids must pay back. In 40 or 50 years which <FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman">"clean energy" will your relative tell my relative was,
the wrong technology, to have spent the money on???? Now you say it was ETOH.
What will it be then????</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>In the US the TEA party says enough is enough.
T=taxed E=enough A=already. Liberal thinkers can always find a worth cause to
take money away from someone to redistribute it too another. There is a bottom
to the money well and I think it was hit last year but the liberals may not see
it till 2012. It is time to go eat some of that "subsidized bread" for lunch.
</FONT><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>I did not bring the charger out hear to the
tractor and the subsidized poisonous Lithium Ion battery in my laptop is running
down. the farmer next door </FONT><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>says "when you
wrestle in the mud with a pig you never win because the pig likes the mud". I am
not saying who is the pig is hear but I am willing to let this thread die now.
Again!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Corbel>B</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=alex@sistemabiobolsa.com
href="mailto:alex@sistemabiobolsa.com">Alexander Eaton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=digestion@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:digestion@lists.bioenergylists.org">For Discussion of Anaerobic
Digestion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:48
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Digestion] Biogas
conversation rates</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Brent, <BR><BR>There is a chance we have come to an
impasse. But to be clear I agree with you on a few points:<BR>1.
Corn ethanol is not something I consider under "renewable energy", given that
corn requires fossil fuel to produce. <BR>2. If someone gives you
money for flower and cooking fuel, then yes, your bread is
subsidized.<BR><BR>The fact that oil rigs were shut down after the worst oil
spill in US history surprises you, that you can chalk up the fact that
emissions from fossil fuel warms the planet as junk science, or that
subsidizing clean energy so that the technology become more viable in the
future does not make sense are points that I hope you will reconsider.
<BR><BR>Cheers <BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:50 PM, bingham <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:bingham@zekes.com">bingham@zekes.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>Steve, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>Thanks for the brief glimmer of relief "Count me
among those who look forward to the end of this thread " before you also
piled on. I live in a family of tree hugging flaming liberals from my
uncles</FONT><FONT face=Corbel> to most of my brothers. I do not
subscribe to the liberal belief that repeating something over and over makes
it true.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>I think if you fallow the money you usually get to
the truth. Find out who funds something then look into there beliefs. If is
not a coincidence that the studies people and groups fund almost always
aggress with their preconceived notions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>It is obvious continuing this thread well serve
no useful purpose. I am not saying you all do not believe what you are
saying but who or what puts food on your</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>tables. Does cheep energy help or hurt you
make a living? Does AD some how directly or indirectly fund your activities?
Would "climate change' being proven </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>to be a hoax help or hurt your activities?
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>I have proven with my own money (not money from a
grant, a study or some other out side source) that AD has a place with out
regard for energy costs or global warming. AD can stand on its own in
the bright light of day irrespective of our side influences. I do not make a
living from AD in any way and so I can </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>say it with out a political ax to grind.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>It is my bed time framers get up early around hear.
Must get up early and turn the auger on to feed the AD in the
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>Good night, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>B</FONT></DIV><FONT color=#888888></FONT>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228)"><B>From:</B>
<A title=verheys@hotmail.com href="mailto:verheys@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>Steve Verhey</A> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=im>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=digestion@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:digestion@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>digestion@lists.bioenergylists.org</A> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=im>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 19, 2011
6:42 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Digestion] Biogas
conversation rates</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>Count me among those who look forward to the end of
this thread. Even so, I can't resist offering some data: <A
href="http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=48574"
target=_blank>http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=48574</A>
. <BR><BR>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:31:30 -0800<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:9watts@gmail.com" target=_blank>9watts@gmail.com</A><BR>To:
<A href="mailto:digestion@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>digestion@lists.bioenergylists.org</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Digestion] Biogas conversation rates<BR><BR>Eric,<BR>good points all, but
let's not forget that Brent believes climate change is cooked up by
conspirators.<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV>On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:31 PM, bingham <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:bingham@zekes.com"
target=_blank>bingham@zekes.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Corbel>...</FONT></FONT><FONT size=2
face=Corbel><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">global warming has been
debunked as junk science produced</FONT></FONT>
<DIV>by a group of co conspirators paid to produce a set of data which
would support an pre conceived
agenda.</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV>On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Eric Buysman <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:ericishier@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>ericishier@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman','new york',times,serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<DIV><FONT
face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">Hence,
when taking a holistic perspective, considering externalities, there is
a good case to assume that fossil fuels are artificially
cheap.</FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV>
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more information about digestion, see<BR>Beginner's Guide to Biogas<BR><A
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target=_blank>http://www.adelaide.edu.au/biogas/</A><BR>and the Biogas
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more information about digestion, see<BR>Beginner's Guide to Biogas<BR><A
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target=_blank>http://www.adelaide.edu.au/biogas/</A><BR>and the Biogas Wiki
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clear=all><BR>-- <BR>Alexander Eaton<BR>Sistema
Biobolsa<BR>IRRI-Mexico<BR>RedBioLAC<BR><BR>Mex cel: (55) 11522786<BR>US cel:
970 275 4505<BR><BR><A href="mailto:alex@irrimexico.org"
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href="http://sistemabiobolsa.com" target=_blank>sistemabiobolsa.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.irrimexico.org" target=_blank>www.irrimexico.org</A><BR><A
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