Brent, <br><br>There is a chance we have come to an impasse. But to be clear I agree with you on a few points:<br>1. Corn ethanol is not something I consider under "renewable energy", given that corn requires fossil fuel to produce. <br>
2. If someone gives you money for flower and cooking fuel, then yes, your bread is subsidized.<br><br>The fact that oil rigs were shut down after the worst oil spill in US history surprises you, that you can chalk up the fact that emissions from fossil fuel warms the planet as junk science, or that subsidizing clean energy so that the technology become more viable in the future does not make sense are points that I hope you will reconsider. <br>
<br>Cheers <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:50 PM, bingham <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bingham@zekes.com">bingham@zekes.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font face="Corbel">Steve, </font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel">Thanks for the brief glimmer of relief "Count me among
those who look forward to the end of this thread " before you also piled on. I
live in a family of tree hugging flaming liberals from my
uncles</font><font face="Corbel"> to most of my brothers. I do not subscribe
to the liberal belief that repeating something over and over makes it
true.</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel">I think if you fallow the money you usually get to the
truth. Find out who funds something then look into there beliefs. If is not a
coincidence that the studies people and groups fund almost always aggress with
their preconceived notions.</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel">It is obvious continuing this thread well serve no
useful purpose. I am not saying you all do not believe what you are saying but
who or what puts food on your</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel">tables. Does cheep energy help or hurt you
make a living? Does AD some how directly or indirectly fund your activities?
Would "climate change' being proven </font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel">to be a hoax help or hurt your activities? </font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Corbel">I have proven with my own money (not money from a grant,
a study or some other out side source) that AD has a place with out regard for
energy costs or global warming. AD can stand on its own in the bright light
of day irrespective of our side influences. I do not make a living from AD in
any way and so I can </font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel">say it with out a political ax to grind.</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel">It is my bed time framers get up early around hear. Must
get up early and turn the auger on to feed the AD in the AM</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel">Good night, </font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel">B</font></div><font color="#888888">
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<a title="verheys@hotmail.com" href="mailto:verheys@hotmail.com" target="_blank">Steve
Verhey</a> </div>
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</div><div class="im"><div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 19, 2011 6:42
PM</div>
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conversation rates</div>
<div><br></div><br>Count me among those who look forward to the end of this
thread. Even so, I can't resist offering some data: <a href="http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=48574" target="_blank">http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=48574</a>
. <br><br>
<hr>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:31:30 -0800<br>From: <a href="mailto:9watts@gmail.com" target="_blank">9watts@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:digestion@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">digestion@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
Subject:
Re: [Digestion] Biogas conversation rates<br><br>Eric,<br>good points all, but
let's not forget that Brent believes climate change is cooked up by
conspirators.<br><br><br>
<div>On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:31 PM, bingham <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bingham@zekes.com" target="_blank">bingham@zekes.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><font size="2"><font face="Corbel">...</font></font><font face="Corbel" size="2"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">global warming has been
debunked as junk science produced</font></font>
<div>by a group of co conspirators paid to produce a set of data which would
support an pre conceived agenda.</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br><br>
<div>On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Eric Buysman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ericishier@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ericishier@yahoo.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><br></font></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">Hence, when
taking a holistic perspective, considering externalities, there is a good
case to assume that fossil fuels are artificially
cheap.</font></div></div></div></blockquote></div>
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