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I have already offered <a href="http://cascadiacarbon.org/blog">another blog</a> to which to take this discussion, and I am writing with another suggestion.<br><br>All of us, whether or not we accept global climate change as "real enough," should read this: http://www.boingboing.net/2011/07/22/lowercase-theories-u.html . It's not very long, and if we still have time after reading it, we should read the comments. After we've read the comments, if we have anything to say, we should say it there. <br><br>This list has indicated it would prefer discussions of climate change not happen here. Please don't respond to this e-mail on the list, but feel free to write me off-list: verheys@hotmail.com . <br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: bingham@zekes.com<br>To: david@h4c.org; digestion@lists.bioenergylists.org<br>Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:05:38 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Digestion] Digestion Digest, Vol 11, Issue 16<br><br>
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<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">I honestly do not believe this is the
correct forum for this type of discussion.</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">I can go back to the time I was in college and
produce papers written to verify there was a consciences that settled science
determined</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">there was going to be an impending ice age.
</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">this was repeated in almost every major world
paper.</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">It is my understanding that over the period of
time you reference, settled science has determined there to have been 3 ice ages
and 3 </font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">or more incidences of global warming.
</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">Sense they all pre dates man to what do you
attribute the warming?</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2"></font> </div>
<div>"When, over suitable time ranges, the record of temperatures is averaged,
what has been found is that indeed things have </div>
<div>gotten warmer. (This is pretty well-settled science, and the effort has
been undertaken by a number of different and independent groups."</div>
<div>I would like to see the list of "independent groups" you refer
too. The ones we saw listed are anything but independent. </div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">If you look closely at the list of so called
scientists that makes up the "settled science" report over 80 % receive money
from </font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">groups that support that same point of view. I
also remember not so long ago many on this list falsified or misstated data to
create the </font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">elusion of global warming.</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">When a tractor salesman tells me a competitors
brand is better I am more inclined to believe it than when he tells me the
others brand </font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">is worse. </font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">The idea of energy conservation would have
any effect on the earth biosphere is a joke.</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">If you look closely the effects they estimate are
not within the margin of error and would take 100 years to even show up at
all.</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">The population is growing and they will need
increasing amounts of energy to improve and sustain their lives over the short
and long term.</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">AD provides a way to take the waste that will
inevitably be generated and convert it in to usable by products.</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">They only way to accomplish significant energy
conservation is the plan progressives cam up with at the turn of the
century.</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">they were going to sterilize mass portions of the
population. George Bernard Shaw was part of this group.</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">If you read Shaw's less well known
writings you will find he and his group had very logical justification for there
positions, the </font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">environment being one of them.</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">I cannot remember who was concerned about low corn
prices, but how are the high prices working out for you?</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">Brent</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2">One the PhDs not on the list of settled
science!</font></div>
<div><font face="Corbel" size="2"></font> </div>
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