<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Paul....your comments are right on. I spent a number of years in ruminant nutrition and along with others in research, tried to manipulate the rumen micro flora with specific bacteria. Yes, the microbial population could be altered by extreme ration adjustments, but, the survival/significant effect of a specific microbe or yeast was nil. </SPAN></div>
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<DIV class=y_msg_container><BR>G'day Wayne,<BR><BR>As has been commented elsewhere any attempt to use "designer" microbes <BR>in an anaerobic digester is likely to be swamped by the microbial <BR>ecosystem being fed to the digester unless the feed is sterile/sterilised.<BR><BR>My attitude (almost certainly not shared by all group members, but I <BR>hope we can agree to differ!) is that nature has sorted out a system <BR>over thousands of years and we are not likely to make it hugely better <BR>by a bit of fiddling. It is a bit like the argument between artificial <BR>and organic fertilisers - organic has a lot of micreonutrients missing <BR>from synthetic formulas and similarly EM may not have the synergies <BR>needed for AD.<BR><BR>Happy digesting,<BR><BR>HOOROO<BR>Mr Paul Harris<BR>Visitor to The University of Adelaide<BR><BR>On 30/10/2013 5:59 AM, Wayne Zschech wrote:<BR>> G'day all!<BR>><BR>> Does anyone have any experience on how AD can be
used effectively with EM? Are there any possibly synergies? E.g. The EM bokashi leachate goes off if not used with in a day or so. Could an AD reactor be of any use? Etc.<BR>><BR>> Blessings,<BR>> Wayne<BR>><BR>> Blessings,<BR>> Wayne<BR>><BR>> Отправлено с iPad<BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Digestion mailing list<BR>><BR>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<BR>> <A href="mailto:Digestion@bioenergylists.org" ymailto="mailto:Digestion@bioenergylists.org">Digestion@bioenergylists.org</A><BR>><BR>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<BR>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/digestion_lists.bioenergylists.org<BR>><BR>> for more information about digestion, see<BR>> Beginner's Guide to Biogas<BR>> http://www.adelaide.edu.au/biogas/<BR>> and the Biogas Wiki
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