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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">G'day Richard,<br>
<br>
Thanks for the verification, when I am working from memory and
largely on personal communication it is good to have some
supporting evidence.<br>
<br>
I have not met Ian Plimmer (he was at North Terrace, which I did
visit sometimes but was usually busy) and I was 50 km away at
Roseworthy Campus most of the time. There must have been some
interesting tea room discussions as Prof Barry Brooks (who is VERY
pro Climate Change!) was in the same Department.<br>
<br>
I suspect the only place we may have met was at a Conference in
Stuttgart in 2007.<br>
<br>
I think the piggery did go ahead, but had a problem with a fire
(it did not make our headlines!) or a contractor damaging the
cover - I am not sure though.<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">HOOROO
Mr Paul Harris
Visitor to The University of Adelaide</pre>
On 30/10/2013 12:25 PM, Richard L Vetter wrote:<br>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto">Paul....your
comments are right on. I spent a number of years in
ruminant nutrition and along with others in research, tried
to manipulate the rumen micro flora with specific bacteria.
Yes, the microbial population could be altered by extreme
ration adjustments, but, the survival/significant effect of
a specific microbe or yeast was nil. </span></div>
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auto">Out of curiosity, have you made the acquaintance of
Prof. Ian Plimmer.....author of "Heaven and Earth--global
warming and the missing science? In my opinion, both sides
of the global warming issue need to read his historical
insights and gain a perspective of climate change.</span></div>
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rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 19px; RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT:
auto">I have been trying to recall if we have met at some
conference or event. Anyway, your insights are valuable,
especially to some of those within the group who are fairly
novice!!</span></div>
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auto">One last comment. Do you know if the very large swine
operation [290,000 standing pigs] (Singapore owners, I
think) outside of Corawa has installed an anaerobic system?
At the time, I worked on feasibility study for the
operation about 8 years ago, there was a potential ownership
change.</span></div>
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Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:14 PM<br>
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Re: [Digestion] EM Effective Microorganisms and AD<br>
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G'day Wayne,<br>
<br>
As has been commented elsewhere any attempt to use
"designer" microbes <br>
in an anaerobic digester is likely to be swamped by the
microbial <br>
ecosystem being fed to the digester unless the feed is
sterile/sterilised.<br>
<br>
My attitude (almost certainly not shared by all group
members, but I <br>
hope we can agree to differ!) is that nature has sorted
out a system <br>
over thousands of years and we are not likely to make it
hugely better <br>
by a bit of fiddling. It is a bit like the argument
between artificial <br>
and organic fertilisers - organic has a lot of
micreonutrients missing <br>
from synthetic formulas and similarly EM may not have the
synergies <br>
needed for AD.<br>
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Happy digesting,<br>
<br>
HOOROO<br>
Mr Paul Harris<br>
Visitor to The University of Adelaide<br>
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On 30/10/2013 5:59 AM, Wayne Zschech wrote:<br>
> G'day all!<br>
><br>
> Does anyone have any experience on how AD can be used
effectively with EM? Are there any possibly synergies?
E.g. The EM bokashi leachate goes off if not used with in
a day or so. Could an AD reactor be of any use? Etc.<br>
><br>
> Blessings,<br>
> Wayne<br>
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> Blessings,<br>
> Wayne<br>
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