<div>Dear Jake,</div>
<div>Compressors that fill air into pneumatic tyres are readily available everywhere.</div>
<div>Yours</div>
<div>A.D.Karve <br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Jacob Douenias <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jdouenias@gmail.com" target="_blank">jdouenias@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dr. Karve,
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<div>Thank you for your response! (It is really great to hear from you, my whole team and I really admire the work that you are doing.)</div>
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<div>Transportation via a cylinder does make a lot more sense. </div>
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<div>Now I am wondering what other kinds of pumps could be used to achieve a high pressure for storage. </div>
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<div>I do know of some Chinese-made biogas pumps that achieve around 4 psi, I'm wondering if that would be enough for a cook-out and if a more powerful compressor that I don't know about yet would be able to achieve a higher pressure (and thus store more gas).</div>
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<div>Do you have any suggestions of pumps that can pressurize biogas safely (besides a pesticide pump)?</div>
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<div>Sincerely,</div></div>
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<br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Safe Transportation of Low Pressure Biomethane for Social<br> Gatherings (Jacob Douenias)<br> 2. Re: Safe Transportation of Low Pressure Biomethane for Social<br> Gatherings (Anand Karve)<br>
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To: <a href="mailto:digestion@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">digestion@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>Subject: [Digestion] Safe Transportation of Low Pressure Biomethane<br> for Social Gatherings<br>
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<br>Dear all,<br><br>I am a researcher and entrepreneur at Carnegie Mellon University and I am<br>working on how to share the knowledge and benefits of simple AD systems<br>with Americans.<br><br>My team has been investigating the possibility of converting commercial<br>
food waste to biogas in a low-tech 250 gallon digester, and then scrubbing<br>that biogas ourselves into biomethane.<br><br>We want to hold events or cook-outs where local chefs could cook great food<br>using biomethane.<br>
<br>To do this in our area the best way to share this biomethane with others is<br>to drive it to a local gathering.<br><br>What do you all think the safest way to go about transporting this<br>biomethane on the road would be? If we were to invest in a low-cost biogas<br>
inflatable (ie. PVC) and house this bag inside of a large plastic enclosure<br>would this be relatively safe?<br><br>We want to share this technology and its benefits with others!<br><br>Can you help us figure this problem out?<br>
<br>Best wishes,<br><br>-- Jake Douenias<br><br>*<a href="http://thebiogenousproject.org/" target="_blank">http://thebiogenousproject.org/</a> <<a href="http://thebiogenousproject.org/" target="_blank">http://thebiogenousproject.org/</a>>*<br>
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<br>Dear Jake,<br> One can fill non-pressurised pure methane into inflatable bags and<br>transport it, but in this form you have to cary large volumes of it.<br>Secondly, you would have to use pressure for getting the methane from<br>
the bag into your cookstoves. It would be easier If you could use<br>pressure at the facility where you produced the methane, and filled it<br>into rigid cylinders. Not only would the volume be reduced but the gas<br>would flow easily from the cylinder into the burners of the stove. We<br>
have tested this concept as an experiment, using LPG cylinders as<br>containers and a pesticide pump for filling the cylinders.<br>Yours<br>A.D.Karve<br><br>On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 12:46 AM, Jacob Douenias <<a href="mailto:jdouenias@gmail.com" target="_blank">jdouenias@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Dear all,<br>><br>> I am a researcher and entrepreneur at Carnegie Mellon University and I am<br>> working on how to share the knowledge and benefits of simple AD systems with<br>> Americans.<br>><br>> My team has been investigating the possibility of converting commercial food<br>
> waste to biogas in a low-tech 250 gallon digester, and then scrubbing that<br>> biogas ourselves into biomethane.<br>><br>> We want to hold events or cook-outs where local chefs could cook great food<br>> using biomethane.<br>
><br>> To do this in our area the best way to share this biomethane with others is<br>> to drive it to a local gathering.<br>><br>> What do you all think the safest way to go about transporting this<br>> biomethane on the road would be? If we were to invest in a low-cost biogas<br>
> inflatable (ie. PVC) and house this bag inside of a large plastic enclosure<br>> would this be relatively safe?<br>><br>> We want to share this technology and its benefits with others!<br>><br>> Can you help us figure this problem out?<br>
><br>> Best wishes,<br>><br>> -- Jake Douenias<br>><br>> <a href="http://thebiogenousproject.org/" target="_blank">http://thebiogenousproject.org/</a><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>
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