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    G'day All,<br>
    <br>
    While I am happy to agree to differ on some of Dr A,D.Karve's ideas
    I disagree with points 6) and 7) below (if taken at face value).<br>
    <br>
    6) There should be a C:N ratio of approximately 20-30:1. The exact
    value is not critical, but microbes need both these nutrients (and
    other elements) to survive. Too much N will result in ammonia and
    too much C probably reduces the biogas quality.<br>
    <br>
    7) Retention Time (RT) is reasonably important! Too short a RT
    results in "washout", which stops digestion. The actual "washout" RT
    depends on operating temperature, as this influences microbial
    growth rate. Best use of digester volume occurs at a RT about twice
    the "washout" time, but longer RTs result in more biogas per unit
    influent and more robust operation.<br>
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          <td colspan="2" class="xl81" style="border-right:1.0pt solid
            black; width:112pt" width="150">Retention Time</td>
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        <tr style="height:12.75pt" height="17">
          <td class="xl64" style="height:12.75pt" height="17">Temp.</td>
          <td class="xl65" style="border-left:none">Gwth Rte</td>
          <td class="xl65" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">Washout</td>
          <td class="xl77" style="border-top:none">"Optimum"</td>
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          <td class="xl66" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none"
            height="20">(<font class="font5"><sup>O</sup></font><font
              class="font6">C)</font></td>
          <td class="xl67" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">(days<font
              class="font5"><sup>-1</sup></font><font class="font6">)</font></td>
          <td class="xl67" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">(days<font
              class="font6">)</font></td>
          <td class="xl68" style="border-left:none">(days<font
              class="font6">)</font></td>
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        <tr style="height:12.75pt" height="17">
          <td class="xl78" style="height:12.75pt" height="17">5</td>
          <td class="xl79" style="border-left:none">0.020</td>
          <td class="xl73" style="border-left:none">49.0</td>
          <td class="xl80" style="border-left:none">97.9</td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="height:12.75pt" height="17">
          <td class="xl69" style="height:12.75pt;border-top:none"
            height="17">10</td>
          <td class="xl71" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">0.034</td>
          <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">29.4</td>
          <td class="xl72" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">58.9</td>
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        <tr style="height:12.75pt" height="17">
          <td class="xl69" style="height:12.75pt;border-top:none"
            height="17">15</td>
          <td class="xl71" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">0.056</td>
          <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">17.7</td>
          <td class="xl72" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">35.5</td>
        </tr>
        <tr style="height:12.75pt" height="17">
          <td class="xl69" style="height:12.75pt;border-top:none"
            height="17">20</td>
          <td class="xl71" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">0.093</td>
          <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10.8</td>
          <td class="xl72" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">21.6</td>
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        <tr style="height:12.75pt" height="17">
          <td class="xl69" style="height:12.75pt;border-top:none"
            height="17">25</td>
          <td class="xl71" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">0.150</td>
          <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">6.7</td>
          <td class="xl72" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">13.3</td>
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        <tr style="height:12.75pt" height="17">
          <td class="xl69" style="height:12.75pt;border-top:none"
            height="17">30</td>
          <td class="xl71" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">0.233</td>
          <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">4.3</td>
          <td class="xl72" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">8.6</td>
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        <tr style="height:12.75pt" height="17">
          <td class="xl69" style="height:12.75pt;border-top:none"
            height="17">35</td>
          <td class="xl71" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">0.336</td>
          <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">3.0</td>
          <td class="xl72" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">6.0</td>
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        <tr style="height:12.75pt" height="17">
          <td class="xl69" style="height:12.75pt;border-top:none"
            height="17">40</td>
          <td class="xl71" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">0.434</td>
          <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">2.3</td>
          <td class="xl72" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">4.6</td>
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        <tr style="height:13.5pt" height="18">
          <td class="xl66" style="height:13.5pt;border-top:none"
            height="18">45</td>
          <td class="xl75" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">0.502</td>
          <td class="xl74" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">2.0</td>
          <td class="xl76" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">4.0</td>
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    I hope this is some help,<br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">HOOROO
Mr Paul Harris</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06-Jun-16 1:30 PM, Anand Karve
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CACPy7ScndqwLxe=GZWMmMeA2S7P2_xkROua++osuwgt56=bafg@mail.gmail.com"
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><b>Biogas
            technology revisited</b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center">Dr.A.D.Karve</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center">Samuchit
          Enviro Tech
          P. Ltd. Law College Road, Ekata Park Co-Op. Housing Society,
          Behind Nirmitee
          Showroom, Erandawane, Pune 411 004 (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:adkarve@gmail.com">adkarve@gmail.com</a>)</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%">Abstract: In spite
          of new knowledge
          gained since the advent of the 21<sup>st</sup> century the
          biogas researchers still
          use some of the older concepts.  The new
          concepts pointed out in this article are 1) Because the biogas
          producing
          microbes reside in the intestines of animals, they eat what
          the animals eat. 2)
          Breeding super-methanogens can be achieved, but their use in a
          biogas plant
          would not be practical, as it would be impossible to maintain
          them. 3) All
          animals represent living biogas plants, and therefore the
          fecal matter of
          animals is the effluent slurry of a biogas plant. The biogas
          producing microbes
          are found universally in the fecal matter of animals because
          they exit the
          animal body along with dung.  4)Even the
          anaerobic microbes need oxygen for their metabolism. They
          extract the
          chemically bound oxygen from their feedstock.  Therefore,
          feedstock of a biogas plant must
          have oxygen in its chemical make up. The same is also true of
          food eaten by
          animals. 5)The value called % volatile solids actually
          represents the %
          digestibility of the concerned substance. 6)There is no
          justification for
          laying emphasis on the C/N ratio of a feedstock. 7) There is
          no justification
          for laying emphasis on the hydraulic retention time of a
          biogas plant. It is a
          useless concept. 8) In a biphasic system, the feedstock is
          first treated
          aerobically and then subjected to anaerobic conditions. This
          is wrong, because
          most of the organic carbon, which would have yielded methane
          in the anaerobic
          phase, gets oxidized in the aerobic phase itself, leading to
          drastic reduction
          in the methane yield.</p>
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          <div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">***<br>
            Dr. A.D. Karve<br>
            <br>
            Chairman, Samuchit Enviro Tech Pvt Ltd (<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.samuchit.com"
              target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.samuchit.com">www.samuchit.com</a></a>)<br>
            <br>
            Trustee & Founder President, Appropriate Rural
            Technology Institute (ARTI)<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:44 AM, Kelvin
          masule <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:kmasule97@gmail.com" target="_blank">kmasule97@gmail.com</a>></span>
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            <p>Guys do u have any information about biogas? </p>
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