[Gasification] Syngas on Wiki_

Wed Dec 29 12:17:03 CST 2010

We seem to be going around in great big circles!!

Can we first define "Syngas"?

I believe the term refers to "Synthesis Gas", and not "Synthetic Gas."

"Synthesis Gas" can be gas of any composition which is used to synthesize a subsequent product. If "Synthesis Gas" is used as a fuel, it is not being used to synthesize a product, and is therefore not "Synthesis Gas", but rather is simply "Fuel Gas."

"Producer Gas" is any gas produced by a "Gas Producer." GEK's Larosifiers, and Wellman-Galushas are all "gas producers. A Coke Oven is a "Gas Producer, producing "Coke Oven Gas." "Water Gas"is another "Producer Gas" produced by introducing steam to incandescent carbon (charcoal or coke)

A "Stratified Downdraft Gasifier" produces "Producer Gas", and if the feedstock was wood, this "producer gas" would be "Wood Gas." They produce a gas that is high in tars, and while it is an excellent "Fuel Grade Gas", for direct burning, it has far too much tar content to be used as an "Engine Grade Gas." (EGG). Imbert style Gasifiers, when properly configured, as is the GEK, can produce a wood gas, or a producer gas, that is adequately low in tar content, such that it can be used for fuel in a burner, or it can be used as feed to an engine. If the GEK output gas was used for processing further to yield a different product, then it would be producing a "synthesis gas", and it would indeed be proper to state that it was producing "syngas."

Thats how I see things.... am I missing something?

Kevin Chisholm
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  Subject: Re: [Gasification] Syngas on Wiki_

  I believe we are all ardent admirers of Jim's Gek, the continual improvements made to the design and automatic control for the production of clean flammable gas is the objects of our admiration.
  However, there are many among us, who believe the term "Syngas" describes a synthetic version of a naturally occurring organic compound (methane).which has far more energy content than the production of a GEK.
  If the GEK really produces "Syngas" there are obviously no improvements to be made to the QUALITY of the gas produced.    The GEK has most certainly "arrived".
  If we believe this then we can all pack up and go home. What is the object of this site if some one has found the Holy Grail which we all seek.
  On the other hand, there are rules for successfully marketing a product and Jim has not broken any of these.
  He needs to describe his product in the best possible light in order to fuel the continued research and development he has shared with us.
  Syngas is an excellent descriptive word, are we to have a referendum on its application?

  GF

    For me synthesis gas should have the capability of being used to synthesis some product.

    On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Toby Seiler <seilertechco at yahoo.com> wrote:

      Tom,

      Jim was right, I'm working on a machine that is intended to some degree to integrate principles of making synthesis gas, so I have a vested interest in his use of terminology used in marketing his product that, I believe, contributes to a public misunderstanding.  I've asked Jim nice many times in the past to consider the differences that Doug, Bill Klein, Greg and many other professionals on this list have explained to Jim and myself years ago.       

      GF (and others) recognize that there is commercial value in marketing the "syngas" claim in addition to the technical correctness issue. 

      Unfortunately with a mushrooming interest in energy issues, many un or under-educated persons have now become part of our various governments and making public policy.  Continued use of wrong terminology, now even amongst government officials making policy decisions, eventually affects enterprise large and small.  

      I'm impressed by Jim and his crew's ability to appeal to a large audience of interested, computer literate folks.  I wish him success.

      I don't want this to be harsh or attacking to Jim, but feel that continued effort to make alternative energy progress will require even greater technical distinctions, rather than blending terms together as "generic" terms.  Please help to clear up our "english" language version of Wiki defining these gases and their respective machinery.   

      Have a good new years. 

      Toby Seiler
      Seilertechco

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