[Gasification] DIY GtL

[Craig Kernan]

I would also like information

Craig

On 1/31/2011 1:44 AM, Li CHEN wrote:
> Hi Rolf,
>
> In China, there are hundreds of villages using fuel gas 
> station...(gasifier --> producer gas --> pipe line --> end user).
>
> I find some chinese documents about using pipeline to provide producer 
> gas.
>
> About pipeline part:, it uses:
>
> From gas tank to end user, outside underground pipeline: high-density 
> polyehytlene (designed life: 50 years).
>
> Inside or outside ground pipeline: steel pipe.
>
> Pressure before end user gas burner: 100mm H2O.
>
> I will send you offlist some figures about the gas storage tank figure.
>
> Li
>
>
> Le 30/01/2011 19:39, Rolf Uhle a écrit :
>> Hallo Brian, Doug and list,
>>
>> this looks amazing ! The filtering seems to be very good.
>>
>> You and Doug seem to have experience with stocking producer gas.
>>
>> May I ask you some questions ?
>>
>> We have 5 separate houses/cabins on our land , all of them with solar 
>> and
>> individual wood and /or almond shell burning fireplaces .
>> All of them are hidronic underfloor systems with hot sanitary water 
>> tanks .
>>
>> The distances between  these houses make a central water heat 
>> distribution
>> system rather inviable.
>>
>> We are off grid and run electricitywise on solar, wind and micro hydro.
>> There is a backup generator slow speed diesel running on WVO.
>>
>> My idea is to connect all houses to a single gassifier of around 40 
>> -50 kW gas
>> output and store a few hours gas in a gasometer and have the gassy 
>> start and
>> stop and run at close to full output as the gasometer level demands 
>> so as to
>> give it " an easy life " tarwise.
>>
>> The clean and cool gas could run through ordinary PE pipes to the 
>> individual
>> houses where it should burn in gas furnaces.
>>
>> A part of it could run the Listeroid genset which already works in 
>> chp mode.
>>
>> I remember systems like this being built in Switzerland until 30-40 
>> years ago
>> for large kitchens and heating boilers in hotels and other remote 
>> buildings
>> in the mountains. The manufacturer was located in Horgen on Lake Zurich.
>> I would have to dive very deep into my old records to find him...
>>
>> I attended the Germany GEK workshop with Jim last year, but he seems 
>> to busy
>> to have time to spare for me. It is a pity.
>>
>> Questions:
>>
>> Do you have a gassifier of that range 40 - 50 kW gas, not engine kW ?
>>
>> Do you think that after scrubbing the gas could be "compressed " 
>> slightly to
>> 300-400 mb and stored in a gasometer ?
>>
>> Has anybody sent producer gas through PE pipes over 150 m ?
>>
>> Where do you expect the real difficulties ?
>>
>>
>> Looking foreward to your answer.
>>
>> Rolf
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>> Am Sonntag, 30. Januar 2011 18:06:37 schrieb Brian D Paasch:
>>> On Jan 29, 2011, at 8:10 PM, doug.williams wrote:
>>>> To finger the problem of using industrial scale producer gas, is that
>>>> most large systems are not tar free, and if you need to compress 
>>>> the gas,
>>>> technical challenges come thick and fast.
>>> Doug,
>>>
>>> Oh goodness yes! We've not been willing to TOUCH the compression 
>>> challenges
>>> until we got our gas pretty darn clean. I'm cautiously optimistic with
>>> where we are at on that task:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNypVoZg3VA
>>>
>>> And right now we're planning on three separate compression steps with
>>> additional filters between each step.
>>>
>>> And thanks for the pointer to your archives, I will certainly browse!
>>>
>>> -brian
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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