[Gasification] What happened at Choren

[Thomas Reed]

Dear All

Pyrolytic  gasification 

Wood + Heat ==> Charcoal + vinegar gas ( acetic acid etc.)

is a piece of cake compared to total gasification in which lignin contributes phenolics to make  tars.

In a rational world there would be a good market for the charcoal as fertilizer and reducer of global warming.  

sighhhhh

Tom Reed

Dr Thomas B Reed
President, The Biomass Energy Foundation
www.Woodgas.com

On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:32 AM, linvent at aol.com wrote:

> Dear Tom Miles and the list:
>     One thing that should be learned is that when there is a lot of money around, the tendency is to hire a lot of folks and then the pressure is on to burn money fast. I also see "financing issues with start up of commercial plant" to read, too expensive, has technical issues, vis a vis Range Fuels and others. This is a repeat of even the Downdraft system from Grabowski under Syngas co. This was even partially funded in the 80's by a group which had provided funding to Thermogenics and the lead financier called me several years after funding Syngas to say that i was right, it would fail. They decided to not fund Thermogenics because of the lack of PhD's who could argue that their process was better. Not having a degree made my arguments not listened to.
>     The question arises as to what to do with a large staff which initially does engineering work, and then when the design is completed, what are they doing next until the design is completed and operational? This is why to some extent, this work being done by consultants may be better of a business structure.
>     Unfortunately, the financial world relies on degrees for results which paves the way downhill. A multiple PhD in mathematics who was Sandia National Laboratories' lead mathematician, with Stanford and Caltech on his CV, had a saying on his door "A thermometer is not the only thing with degrees and no brains".
>     The more of these large operations to hit the walls, the more difficult the field will be to get serious project financing and move forward. There are others slated to fail in near term from what I have been hearing, high profile supposedly "successful commercial operations".
> Sincerely,
> Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
> President
> Thermogenics Inc.
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> http://www.choren.com/en/information-and-press/press-releases/
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> On Jul 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com> wrote:
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> This Google alert abut Choren should be on interest to anyone who has follwoed biomass pyrolysis an dgiasification to syngas. See the Google Alert link below.  Tom     News1 new result for gasifier What Happened at Choren?
> Consumer Energy Report
> The gasifier would be scaled up from the pilot plant scale of 1 MW th to 45 MW th . Shell's Fischer-Tropsch technology was being used in the plant, ... 
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