[Gasification] CONSERVATION OF ENERGY

[GF]

Tom, 
I did make a salt cell for producing Chlorine gas for my pool and of course the other side of the reaction was the production of sodium hydroxide which I intended to use for just the purpose you mention,there was always a harvest of discarded beer cans in my front yard complements of Madmothers, who managed to get the open container law passed.
 The design was simple, the stainless scrap AL container was open at the bottom with a fine grating but sealed at the top. When the scrap came in contact with the Lye, the gas so generated, compressed pushing the level of the Lye below the grating thus terminating the reaction. The gas being used for cooking.
Its demise being due to the corrosive nature of chlorine which literally ate the stainless steel electrical connections several times.
The fact that there is so much heat going to waste on an ICE leads me to believe that at least the equivalent of ten gallons of gasoline is locked up in a pound of AL
if it could be released in the manner I describe.

gfwhell





-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Reed <tombreed2010 at gmail.com>
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>; Art Krenzel <phoenix98604 at msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 12, 2011 8:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Gasification] CONSERVATION OF ENERGY


Dear QFWHELL


I had had vague thoughts along this line a few years ago, using sodium hydroxide (lye, available at grocery stores) to generate H2 according to (?)


2Al + 2NaOH ==> 2 NaAlO + H2


This reaction will generate H2 from aluminum cans.


 It is similar to the carbide reaction,


CaC2 + 2 H2O ==> Ca(OH)2 +  C2H2 (Acetylene)


The carbide lamps give a brilliant light for spelunkers.  

I used to work for Union Carbide which had it's roots in making calcium carbide in huge electric furnaces in Niagra Falls.


Tom Reed





Dr Thomas B Reed
President, The Biomass Energy Foundation
www.Woodgas.com


On Jul 12, 2011, at 7:51 PM, GF <gfwhell at aol.com> wrote:








    
The other day I posted an article on this site concerning:
 Cornish Hydrogen Generator. Keelynet,  which describes a method of converting
Aluminum into its oxide and in the process cracks water, freeing up hydrogen for use as fuel for a light car.
By all accounts, using this gas in the place of any other fuel.
Distances and the amount of metal used in this attainment were mentioned.
I was hoping for a reaction from one of the many “Energy Economists”
Who lurk on this site, to respond with negative information regarding the impracticality and waste fullness of such a process?
I believe there is a large following on this site who are interested in obtaining electrical power using renewable energy, derived from carbon neutral sources.
They might question the economics and ethics of using a refined ore as fuel.
Instead of chopping down oxygen producing vegetation.  
In this respect I am a nonconformist. I believe most Aluminum is produced by Hydro electric power and, so the CO2 is not in the equation.
My second comment is harnessing a “free” supply of high temperature heat which is emitted from most Ice’s in the form of “Hot Exhaust”.
This is the place to install a reactor capable of converting beer cans into hydrogen as not too much energy would be needed to complete the reaction. Bubbling super heated steam through a molten bath of AL would give pure hydrogen.
No tar, and the ash is a hot commodity
 
The real question is: how much energy is locked up in a pound of AL
 
gfwhell






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