[Gasification] Continuing
Thomas Reed
tombreed2010 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 19 15:51:05 CDT 2011
Dear Phillip
The power generation sounds interesting.
What is the feed sock for the digester? Carbohydrates?
2 CH2O ===> CH4 + H2O.
A dr, carve in India has built a small digestor that produces all the methane needed to cook the meals.
I suppose a larger digester could supply the electric power too.
Keep talking...
Tom Reed
Dr Thomas B Reed
President, The Biomass Energy Foundation
www.Woodgas.com
On Jul 19, 2011, at 12:03 PM, phillip manske <pdmanske at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Tom,
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> Its good to hear from you. I taught ESL in Korea for six years and
> instead of coming back to the US directly, I went to Kiev and stayed
> in East Europe for year. I went to Moldova, Poland and Romania too.
> I lived on the money I saved while in Korea and my Fed government
> pension. I was poor there and I didn't do much but work on a website
> that was inspired by my Fed time. I made a large Freedom of
> Information Act program and I did most of the work in cafe's with free
> WiFi.
>
> Melitopol is in the Russian half of Ukraine, I generally like the
> Ukies better than the Russians but I think the women are more
> attractive. I've been to Melitopol twice already. No one visits
> Melitopol, its kind of a hole. Anna is an ethnic Russian living in
> Ukraine.
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> http://khersongirls.com - that is the agency I recommend. Consider
> all of the others as scams. I've met the owner and I've been to the
> office many times.
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> If you want to get involved with my "Gold" project you are welcome.
> Its gonna take some money but not much. My investor advisor says to
> make the lab reactor and then the GEK scale reactor. I think the lab
> reactor will look like this...
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> http://www.chemglass.com/product_view.asp?pnr=CLS-1404
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> I don't want to appear as a Johnny come lately into biofuels but it
> kind of looks that way. I was an electrican in the navy a long time
> ago and I said I'd return to power generation if the things were
> right. The concept is complicated, the practice is easy. Once the
> gens run, there is no work to do. You just need to check the engines
> twice a day and that takes 20 minutes max each time. You really have
> the whole day off for the next fifteen years if you get a contract.
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> That's whats up.
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> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Thomas Reed <tombreed2010 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So, do you have an office in Melitopol? Looks like it's close to the black sea.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Dr Thomas B Reed
>> President, The Biomass Energy Foundation
>> www.Woodgas.com
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2011, at 10:25 PM, phillip manske <pdmanske at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dr. Reed,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the concern. I had to pay bills for two months and then I
>>> needed some cash so I can go marriage agency dates in Ukraine. I
>>> lived in Ukraine for a year so I kinda know whats up. I found a woman
>>> there that likes me. She looks like Meagan Fox but she has larger
>>> breasts. She sells cosmetics and lives in Melitopol. I work next to
>>> a corporate lake and the lake is feed by storm run off. The lake has
>>> some good wildlife and I have taken to turtle rescue when the chelons
>>> get stuck in the drainage pipes. I got ten already. I have a snapper
>>> hatchling and hand sized softshell on a shelf by my desk.
>>>
>>> That's pretty cool Phil but it has nothing to with biomass.
>>>
>>> I don't talk about gasifiers here because I don't know Jack.
>>> Sometimes you just need to shut up and listen.
>>>
>>> Yea so I decided I should read about the matter.
>>> This book is great.
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Transportation-Biofuels-Production-Biodiesel-Chemistry/dp/1849730431
>>>
>>> I got an eCopy if you want to see the relevant material. The methane
>>> part looks way doable and in fact I'm slowly working on that. I found
>>> sciencedirect.com which has a great index and all of the papers on the
>>> matter are availalbe for free at the uni library but I don't have my
>>> Indiana drives lic/ID yet so its another two weeks. The papers come
>>> to $4500 if I have to pay.
>>>
>>> I wrote an executive summary for someone at GoBig and I after I sent
>>> that off they asked for an executive summary and asked a few other
>>> questions. I made a good post at GEK and I got ass kissy with Mr.
>>> Mason trying to amend my earlier offences.
>>>
>>> Whats up with you Tom?
>>>
>>> Warmest Regards
>>>
>>> Phillip
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Phillip Manske
>>> 195 w Puetz Rd h-114
>>> Oak Creek WI, 53154
>>> pmanske at afuels.net
>>>
>>> Alchemy Fuels Executive Summary
>>> Saturday, July 16, 2011
>>>
>>> The Energy Policy Act of 2005 has mandated that investor owned
>>> utilities must provide a certain amount of the energy they provide
>>> must be sourced from renewable sources. This amount has been
>>> regulated to grow both now and in the future. To date, wind and solar
>>> sources have been providing most of this energy while biomass sourced
>>> energy has lagged. Utilities have been rejecting new applications for
>>> wind and solar energies while courting biomass providers as many slots
>>> are still open. Alchemy has determined a course to make low cost
>>> biofuel to fulfill these requirements is a realistic and profitable
>>> goal.
>>>
>>> After reviewing scientific literature on the matter I, (working as
>>> Alchemy Fuels) have decided that a two stage reactor designed to make
>>> methane is the most efficient route to a biofuel called “biogas”.
>>> This method was developed early in the biofuels research efforts and
>>> then abandoned in favor of ethanol and other more lucrative
>>> transportation fuels. Methane is a well founded and well functioning
>>> fuel for generators designed to work with natural gas. This process
>>> is well reviewed and appreciated by the scientific community for its
>>> ease use and lack of exotic requirements. It can be described as a
>>> methane digester without the required tons of manure feedstock. The
>>> research was pioneered by a scientist named Gaddy who founded a
>>> company called BRI. The process is referred as the microbial catalyst
>>> cellulosic fuel pathway.
>>>
>>> The process uses the output from gasifiers that use wood mass as a
>>> feedstock. A handful of gases are provided by the gasifier with the
>>> most important being carbon monoxide and the lesser gases being
>>> hydrogen, carbon dioxide and methane. All of the gasses are used in
>>> the process. The first stage of the process uses a bacteria called p.
>>> productus that uses the CO for growth and CO2 for the production of
>>> acetate which is the feedstock for the second and final stage where a
>>> bacteria called m. barkeri uses the acetate and hydrogen to make
>>> methane. Methane, unlike ethanol , does not need distilling which
>>> saves considerable effort, energy and money.
>>>
>>> The market for the gas or gas use comes from the aforementioned lack
>>> of biomass energy providers. Contract length is from 10 – 20 years,
>>> amount of sale is typically 800 kilo watts per hour and the
>>> compensation is from $.10 - $.15 per Kw hour. Providers are
>>> typically allowed to provide 24 hours a day. Demand may vary but
>>> demand is typically strong. Biogas contracts are generally designed
>>> for methane digesters but this type of process meets the legal
>>> definition of biogas even without the $1 million digester.
>>>
>>> This is a niche market but it can provide excellent returns and a
>>> number of contracts can be signed simultaneously. Sales are assured,
>>> no distribution network is required. Plants like this operate at a
>>> technician level and not an engineer or scientist level. There are
>>> few critical points that may induce failure. The required insurance
>>> is difficult to get but I have found a provider and at least one work
>>> around method.
>>>
>>> Plants should be located near the biomass source to save money on
>>> transportation and when the gas is made, it can be shipped at much
>>> less expense to the generating facilities . The plants will be
>>> filled with wood biomass, gasifiers and vats that look like
>>> microbrewery vats.
>>>
>>> Being averse to large expenditures, I recommend a modest approach to
>>> first make a five gallon reactor using bottled gas, then a system
>>> using a small gasifier and then finally a system scaled to produce
>>> fuel at the rate to meet the 800 kwh limit.
>>>
>>> The described process above is worth study and investment. The
>>> science is sound, the investment and risk is small, operating overhead
>>> is very low and sales are guaranteed. It appears margins should be
>>> very wide unlike typical margins that are available to investors.
>>>
>>> Questions may be directed to me at the email address above.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Phillip Manske
>>>
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>>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Thomas Reed <tombreed2010 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Phil
>>>> I haven't heard your name for.a decade or so. What cooks in biomass?
>>>> Tom Reed
>>>>
>>>> Dr Thomas B Reed
>>>> President, The Biomass Energy Foundation
>>>> www.Woodgas.com
>>>> On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:04 PM,
>>>> "pbadger at bioenergyupdate.com"<pbadger at bioenergyupdate.com> wrote:
>>>>
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