[Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada
jim mason
jim at allpowerlabs.org
Mon Jun 25 18:24:12 CDT 2012
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Tom Miles <tmiles at trmiles.com> wrote:
> Thomas
>
> Who are the likely small scale gasifier suppliers that will conquer these
> challenges?
>
>
tom,
you might want to add us to this list. we're out this week setting up the
first 100kw powertainer at the university of minnesota morris. first day
looks like this:
http://gekgasifier.com/wpgallery/powertainer-at-university-of-minnesota-morris/
this is not a commercial unit yet. it is the first prototype. it will
likely break 100 ways and humble its makers 100 more ways before it is
really done. but it demos how you can compact and integrate the full
system of gasifier, engine and fuel hopper within a standard 20' shipping
container.
there is an opening this thursday on site if any want to come and visit.
i'll send more info this eve.
jim
> A
> Ankur Scientific, India http://www.ankurscientific.com/
>
> B.
> Babcock Volund, Denmark http://www.volund.dk/
> 3 gasifiers up to 2 MWe
>
> Biogen, Dominican Republic http://www.biogendr.com/app/en/frontpage.aspx
> 300-500 kWe modules, Italy
> C
> CarboConsult, South Africa http://www.carboconsult.com/
> 250 kWe, Melanie, Gauteng, South Africa
>
> Carbona/Andritz, Finland
> http://www.andritz.com/pp-gasification-andritz-carbona
> 3 MWe plant in Skive, Denmark
>
> CleanStGas, Austria http://www.cleanstgas.com/
> 125-250 kWe/235-480 kWth
>
> Community Power Corporation www.gocpc.com
> 50-75 kWe modules.
>
> E
> EKZ, Switzerland www.ekz.ch
> Turnkey wood gasifier installations
>
> G
> Gasek, Finland www.gasek.fi
> 50 kWe/100 kWth
>
> I
> IISc, India and Licensees
>
> http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Technologies/BiomassGasification/tabid/68/Def
> ault.aspx
>
>
> M
>
> MEVA Innovation AB, Sweden (fine wood fuels) http://www.mevainnovation.se/
> 1-10 MWe; 1.2 MWe in construction Horlax, Pitea
>
> Mothermik, Germany http://www.mothermik.com/engl/prod-1holzver-e.html
> 10 plants.250 kWe
>
> N
> Nexterra Ltd., Vancouver, Canada http://www.nexterra.ca/
> 2 MWe in construction. University of British Columbia
>
> R
> Repotec, Austria http://www.repotec.at/index.php/homepage.html
> Dual fluidized bed for CHP
>
> S
> Satake, Japan (IISc, India technology)
> http://www.satake-group.com/news/2008/080214.html
> Up to 900 kWe modules
>
> Stirling DK, Denmark http://www.stirling.dk/
> 15-140 kWe, Updraft gasifier with stirling engine.
>
> T
> TK Eenergi, Denmark http://www.tke.dk
> 3 stage gasifier
> U
> Urbas Energietechnik, Austria http://www.rsbiomass.com/urbas_gas.html
> 150 kWe/310 kWth fixed bed downdraft
>
> W
> Weiss, Denmark, two stage gasification www.weiss-as.dk
> 1-2 MWe
>
> X
> Xylowatt, Belgium http://www.xylowatt.com/
> 350 kWe modules
>
> XyloPower AG, Switzerland www.xylopower.com
>
>
> Which companies have 3 operating, commercial, gasifiers?
>
> Who else?
>
> Tom Miles
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
> [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Koch
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:15 PM
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification; mark at ludlow.com
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British
> Columbia, Vancouver, Canada
>
> Tom
>
> I am sure this price level is achieveable - BUT BUT BUT - there is a major
> challege that must be overcommed.
>
> You need some where you can have 5-10 similar gasifiers operating for 10 of
> thousans of hours each with in reachable distance from their "parent (s)"
> and this alone needs 50 - 100 mio $ on top of the market price for the
> electricity - and it is possible to maintain a stable and bright and not
> religious brain capacity for a decade or two.
>
> On top of that you need to start with a good idea and that is where most
> principles fail.
> And what does that mean?
> Not too complex - with a potential to handle the challenges that will come
> in an ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE way!!!
>
> Examples - Vølund - Nexterra - CFBs-Repotec and this type of gasifiers will
> alvays have the challenge og tar/perticle gas handling issues - personally
> I
> believe it is too complex to handle in a competitive way.
> FCC - may be large scale - but catalyst and gasifier is a challenge
> 2-3 stage - Viking - double feuer - TKE - and the likes have high
> temperature challenges and reduction challenges and bed stability issues -
> variation in gaspermeability etc Stirling show a large drop in efficiency
> if
> upscaled above 50-75 kW thus the biomass handling systems becomes very
> small
> and sensitive.
> Entrained flow are very big and needs extensive pretreatment of the fuel.
>
> Many things will work for some time if nursed properly by the enthusiastic
> developers.
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
> [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] På vegne af Tom
> Miles
> Sendt: 25. juni 2012 22:51
> Til: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'; mark at ludlow.com
> Emne: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia,
> Vancouver, Canada
>
> Thomas,
>
> You seem to be the bearer of good news.
>
> Can you deliver a (3 stage) gasifier(s) to deliver 2 MWe to a grid in
> Alaska? What would you expect the capital and operating costs to be?
>
> We have a few small communities with electrical loads of 1-2 MWe. Power is
> currently supplied from diesel generators for USD $0.44-$0.65/kWh. Good
> clean wood chips are available at $40-50% MC and $USD 85-100/dry ton. #2
> heating oil costs about $4.40 or about $32/MMBtu (HHV). Most communities
> just want to produce power. Heat distribution does not exist but they could
> probably sell heat in a small loop for about $20/MMBtu. Is there a future
> for gasification in these communities?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom Miles
>
>
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