[Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada
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On 6/26/2012 7:31 AM, Mark Ludlow wrote:
>
> Nice!
>
> *From:*gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
> [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] *On Behalf Of
> *jim mason
> *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2012 4:24 PM
> *To:* Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
> *Subject:* Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British
> Columbia, Vancouver, Canada
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Tom Miles <tmiles at trmiles.com
> <mailto:tmiles at trmiles.com>> wrote:
>
> Thomas
>
> Who are the likely small scale gasifier suppliers that will conquer these
> challenges?
>
> tom,
>
> you might want to add us to this list. we're out this week setting up
> the first 100kw powertainer at the university of minnesota morris.
> first day looks like this:
>
> http://gekgasifier.com/wpgallery/powertainer-at-university-of-minnesota-morris/
>
> this is not a commercial unit yet. it is the first prototype. it
> will likely break 100 ways and humble its makers 100 more ways before
> it is really done. but it demos how you can compact and integrate the
> full system of gasifier, engine and fuel hopper within a standard 20'
> shipping container.
>
> there is an opening this thursday on site if any want to come and
> visit. i'll send more info this eve.
>
> jim
>
> A
> Ankur Scientific, India http://www.ankurscientific.com/
>
> B.
> Babcock Volund, Denmark http://www.volund.dk/
> 3 gasifiers up to 2 MWe
>
> Biogen, Dominican Republic
> http://www.biogendr.com/app/en/frontpage.aspx
> 300-500 kWe modules, Italy
> C
> CarboConsult, South Africa http://www.carboconsult.com/
> 250 kWe, Melanie, Gauteng, South Africa
>
> Carbona/Andritz, Finland
> http://www.andritz.com/pp-gasification-andritz-carbona
> 3 MWe plant in Skive, Denmark
>
> CleanStGas, Austria http://www.cleanstgas.com/
> 125-250 kWe/235-480 kWth
>
> Community Power Corporation www.gocpc.com <http://www.gocpc.com>
> 50-75 kWe modules.
>
> E
> EKZ, Switzerland www.ekz.ch <http://www.ekz.ch>
> Turnkey wood gasifier installations
>
> G
> Gasek, Finland www.gasek.fi <http://www.gasek.fi>
> 50 kWe/100 kWth
>
> I
> IISc, India and Licensees
> http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Technologies/BiomassGasification/tabid/68/Def
> ault.aspx
>
>
> M
>
> MEVA Innovation AB, Sweden (fine wood fuels)
> http://www.mevainnovation.se/
> 1-10 MWe; 1.2 MWe in construction Horlax, Pitea
>
> Mothermik, Germany http://www.mothermik.com/engl/prod-1holzver-e.html
> 10 plants.250 kWe
>
> N
> Nexterra Ltd., Vancouver, Canada http://www.nexterra.ca/
> 2 MWe in construction. University of British Columbia
>
> R
> Repotec, Austria http://www.repotec.at/index.php/homepage.html
> Dual fluidized bed for CHP
>
> S
> Satake, Japan (IISc, India technology)
> http://www.satake-group.com/news/2008/080214.html
> Up to 900 kWe modules
>
> Stirling DK, Denmark http://www.stirling.dk/
> 15-140 kWe, Updraft gasifier with stirling engine.
>
> T
> TK Eenergi, Denmark http://www.tke.dk
> 3 stage gasifier
> U
> Urbas Energietechnik, Austria http://www.rsbiomass.com/urbas_gas.html
> 150 kWe/310 kWth fixed bed downdraft
>
> W
> Weiss, Denmark, two stage gasification www.weiss-as.dk
> <http://www.weiss-as.dk>
> 1-2 MWe
>
> X
> Xylowatt, Belgium http://www.xylowatt.com/
> 350 kWe modules
>
> XyloPower AG, Switzerland www.xylopower.com <http://www.xylopower.com>
>
>
> Which companies have 3 operating, commercial, gasifiers?
>
> Who else?
>
> Tom Miles
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
> <mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
> <mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org>] On Behalf
> Of Thomas
> Koch
>
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:15 PM
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification;
> mark at ludlow.com <mailto:mark at ludlow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British
> Columbia, Vancouver, Canada
>
> Tom
>
> I am sure this price level is achieveable - BUT BUT BUT - there is
> a major
> challege that must be overcommed.
>
> You need some where you can have 5-10 similar gasifiers operating
> for 10 of
> thousans of hours each with in reachable distance from their
> "parent (s)"
> and this alone needs 50 - 100 mio $ on top of the market price for the
> electricity - and it is possible to maintain a stable and bright
> and not
> religious brain capacity for a decade or two.
>
> On top of that you need to start with a good idea and that is
> where most
> principles fail.
> And what does that mean?
> Not too complex - with a potential to handle the challenges that
> will come
> in an ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE way!!!
>
> Examples - Vølund - Nexterra - CFBs-Repotec and this type of
> gasifiers will
> alvays have the challenge og tar/perticle gas handling issues -
> personally I
> believe it is too complex to handle in a competitive way.
> FCC - may be large scale - but catalyst and gasifier is a challenge
> 2-3 stage - Viking - double feuer - TKE - and the likes have high
> temperature challenges and reduction challenges and bed stability
> issues -
> variation in gaspermeability etc Stirling show a large drop in
> efficiency if
> upscaled above 50-75 kW thus the biomass handling systems becomes
> very small
> and sensitive.
> Entrained flow are very big and needs extensive pretreatment of
> the fuel.
>
> Many things will work for some time if nursed properly by the
> enthusiastic
> developers.
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
> <mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
> <mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org>] På vegne
> af Tom Miles
> Sendt: 25. juni 2012 22:51
> Til: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification';
> mark at ludlow.com <mailto:mark at ludlow.com>
> Emne: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British
> Columbia,
> Vancouver, Canada
>
> Thomas,
>
> You seem to be the bearer of good news.
>
> Can you deliver a (3 stage) gasifier(s) to deliver 2 MWe to a grid in
> Alaska? What would you expect the capital and operating costs to be?
>
> We have a few small communities with electrical loads of 1-2 MWe.
> Power is
> currently supplied from diesel generators for USD $0.44-$0.65/kWh.
> Good
> clean wood chips are available at $40-50% MC and $USD 85-100/dry
> ton. #2
> heating oil costs about $4.40 or about $32/MMBtu (HHV). Most
> communities
> just want to produce power. Heat distribution does not exist but
> they could
> probably sell heat in a small loop for about $20/MMBtu. Is there a
> future
> for gasification in these communities?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom Miles
>
>
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