[Gasification] Sweden's trash project / Japanese trash project

Mark Ludlow mark at ludlow.com
Sat Nov 10 19:00:55 PST 2012


The incinerators I’ve seen, operate with excess oxygen. This seems
antithetical to gasification. Perhaps a two-stage gasifier?


From: Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Miles
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 7:09 PM
To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Sweden's trash project / Japanese trash project

You could call it a pyrolytic incinerator. The gases must be burned in
conditions to completely destroy the dioxins. Even the poultry manure
gasifier in West Virginia had to be tested for dioxins. Poultry litter
manure has about 1% chlorine on a dry basis. Municipal waste also is loaded
with salts from foods and fertilizers. We found much higher concentrations
of salts in ash from MSW incineration than we expected.


From: Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On
Behalf Of Lloyd Helferty
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 4:49 PM
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Sweden's trash project / Japanese trash project

In answer to Mark Ludlow's question, Where does the rest of the “trash”
That would probably be "up the stack" ~ i.e. == air emissions ??

In answer to John Miedema's question about "chlorides involved in the trash"
and a possible dioxin problem?
Again, you might, depending on the TEMPS involved in the process.

  You might expect that one good way to avoid Dioxins is to avoid burning
chlorinated plastics, i.e. PVC (Polyvinyl chloride), Chlorinated
polyethylene (CPE), Chlorinated polyvinyl chloride (CPVC) etc.

  Yes, most dioxins arise in the condensed solid phase by the reaction of
inorganic chlorides with graphitic structures in char-containing ash
particles, with copper acting as a catalyst for these reactions, therefore
the highest dioxin concentration is typically created by the pyrolysis of

   Large incinerators have mostly worked this out, however.  The Japanese
[and German] tech is rather good at dealing with these things.

I don't know what kind of "air emissions" controls have been put on this
particular system, if any.

 The single most important factor in forming dioxin-like compounds is the
temperature of the combustion gases. Oxygen concentration also plays a major
role on dioxin formation, but not the chlorine content.  Several studies
have shown that removing PVC from waste would not significantly reduce the
quantity of dioxins emitted.**

The design of modern incinerators minimize dioxins by optimizing the
stability of the thermal process.  The EU emission limit is 0.1 ng I-TEQ/m3.
Modern incinerators not only operate in conditions that minimize dioxin
formation, but are also equipped with pollution control devices which catch
the low amounts produced.

** The European Union Commission published in July 2000 a Green Paper on the
Environmental Issues of PVC noted that, "there does not seem to be a direct
quantitative relationship between chlorine content and dioxin formation".
Similarly, another study commissioned by the European Commission on "Life
Cycle Assessment of PVC and of principal competing materials" states that
"Recent studies show that the presence of PVC has no significant effect on
the amount of dioxins released through incineration of plastic waste."


  Lloyd Helferty, Engineering Technologist
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 - Gandhi

On 2012-11-10 12:36 PM, John Miedema wrote:

I am curious about the chlorides involved in the trash (plastics)? Would not
there be a dioxin problem?

John Miedema

BioLogical Carbon, LLC


From: Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Ludlow
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 2:24 AM
To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Sweden's trash project / Japanese trash project

Where does the rest of the “trash” go? Just, “Somewhere”? RE:
Conservation of Mass.


From: Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On
Behalf Of Terry & Susan Layman
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 4:08 PM
To: Gasification at bioenergylists.org
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Sweden's trash project / Japanese trash project

The Swedish are probably using the same system the Japanese invented.

Leave it to the Japanese to perfect a system, that virtually elimanates

trash. Each day Iwamoto's
<http://superstoneclean.com/waste-treatment-solutions/> "Super Stone Clean
Waste Treatment'' processors

can take a 20 ton pile of common garbage, and reduce it to less than 8

of what they call biochar.

Just watch their video. then you can see first hand the machine and the

I, wouldn't classify it as BioChar, but it looks to me like ashes.

Reduces waste volume from 1/100th to 1/3000th of original input:

1,000kg waste →300g ashes ( 2,200 lbs waste to 10.58 oz's ashes )

This is probably the most advanced system for Gasification.

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