[Gasification] Small steam systems plus gasifiers for electricity

[darius_tamizi]

Dear Tom,

Yes. At the door of our plant in Medan-Indonesia.

Regards,

Darius


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-------- Original message --------
From: Tom Miles <tmiles at trmiles.com> 
Date: 04/12/2013  06:31  (GMT+07:00) 
To: 'darius_tamizi' <darius_tamizi at hotmail.com>,'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org> 
Subject: RE: [Gasification]	Small	steam	systems	plus	gasifiers	for	electricity 
 
Darius,
 
Good price. Delivered where? At the door of your plant in Indonesia? I can’t remember where you are.
 
Tom
 
From: Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of darius_tamizi
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:19 PM
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Small steam systems plus gasifiers for electricity
 
We can supply biochar for only US$0.25/kg or US$2.5/5gallon
 
 
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-------- Original message --------
From: Tom Miles <tmiles at trmiles.com> 
Date: 03/12/2013 10:25 (GMT+07:00) 
To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org> 
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Small steam systems plus gasifiers for electricity 


Jeff,
 
Nothing is that sensible. With retail garden products, and especially on eBay, weight and value go out the window. It’s whatever the customer (sucker?) will pay for a package. Garden products are usually sold by volume, not weight.  
 
Take the 5 gallon bucket of biochar that weighs 17 lbs. The blend is 25 lb/ft3 (17 lb/0.67 ft3). If the biochar is about 8 lb/ft3 and the additive, say compost, is 42 lb/ft3 then that’s a ~50:50 blend by weight. Is it worth $56? Sip the KoolAid and pay the $56 to support your biochar curiosity.  There are some very good biochar-compost blends that sell for far less.
 
I like the Biochar “charflakes” at $129/5 gal or $65/2 gal. $192/ft3 (>$5,000 CY) or $240/ft3? (That 5 gal plastic bucket must be worth more than $2 that I pay.)
 
I’ll take the 40lb bag for $33 ($0.83/lb). That must be a misprint. The same supplier wants  $1.80/lb for 10 lb and 2.60/lb for 5 lb.
 
We don’t really know what portion or how much of a market these retail garden products represent but several sharp marketers are taking advantage of it. If you are willing to do the packaging and sales and get a lot more than $1/ft3 then you are at the head of the class.
 
At least eBay makes it easy to find these things on the internet.
 
Tom
 
 
From: Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Davis
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 4:01 PM
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Small steam systems plus gasifiers for electricity
 
Tom,

So, if the charcoal is mixed with compost does some of the compost and water add to the wieght of the charcaol sold?

Business Model:
Grass compost + moisture + charcoal = X amount of $$$ per pound  ????

Here's a 5 gallon bucket of biochar for a cool $129.00:
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/121104857835>

And more examples:
<http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xbiochar&_nkw=biochar&_sacat=0&_from=R40>




Jeff



On 12/01/2013 06:57 PM, Tom Miles wrote:
There is a lot of creative marketing going on with biochar. There is a wide range of quality. Prices range from $0.35/lb to $2/lb with most selling between $0.75-$1.00/lb ex plant.  
 
Updraft gasifiers (>10 MWth) have been good sources of char for one biochar wholesaler/broker. Char is usually conditioned with  compost or inoculated before it reaches the final customer. As nearly as we can tell a few thousand tons of char was traded in the US in the last year.
 
 
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