[Gasification] HKG BIONEAR http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=ZKbYDF9Hp0o&feature=player_embedded

Fri Dec 13 08:19:30 CST 2013

Dear Fredrik

This is a puzzling project, in that there seem to be a number of loose ends 
that don't seem to make sense.

The first problem we encounter when attempting to understand the technical 
features of the Project is that the Project Team does not want us to 
understand the technical features of the Project.  Without "true facts, we 
on "the outside" are only able to make speculative and intuitive comments.

What we seem to know about the Project and Process is that:
1: More energy is coming out of,  than is going into the process.
2: Electric energy sells for about 1/2 as much as Heat energy.

These points alone suggest that the project is not operating on a level 
playing field. Government Policies may be contributing to a distortion of 
reality.

Kevin

Cc: <Gasification at bioenergylists.org>
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Gasification] HKG BIONEAR http://www.youtube.com 
/watch?v=ZKbYDF9Hp0o&feature=player_embedded

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> Hi Tom and list,
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> The Bionear gasifier is very interesting, but it is difficult to get a
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> grip on it. The man in the video is the inventor himself, Timo Heimonen. 
> I
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> have met him several times and also seen several of his systems in
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> operation during the last few years.
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> The gasifier in the video is located in Lestijärvi, Finland where it
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> primarily serves a district heating system. The turbine has earlier served
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> as a diesel powered emergency power station at bank of Finland and has 
> been
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> modified for use on producer gas.
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> On the same site in Lestijärvi where Turos teams unit now is operating,
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> another gasification plant was in operation for a few years. This previous
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> gasifier had earlier been located in Tervola in Finnish Lapland and then
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> modified for service in Lestijärvi. The operation in Tervola was
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> unsuccessful. In Lestijärvi the plant was in operation, but there were
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> problems with gas quality. The rapeseed oil press and the drying facility,
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> were already on the site when Turos Team came into picture. The gasifier 
> in
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> the video is the first of Turos teams units that is running as a real
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> installation, not “at home” for them.
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> I visited the plant in Lestijärvi two days ago. At that time the turbine
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> was not in operation due to too little heat load at the time (+4 C). The
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> district heating system was in operation and run on producer gas. The unit
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> is over dimensioned for the site and a portion of the produced gas also 
> was
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> flared. Based on the color of the flare, the gas seemed to be of real good
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> quality. Not entirely soot free, but with a flame looking like when clean
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> tar free wood gas burns in a flare. Previously I have had the opportunity
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> to see flares and also smell dripping condensate from another of Turos
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> teams smaller units. The concensate was like spring water.
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> For heat sold to customers in a district heating system in Finland, one
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> can typically take a price of about 70-80 €/MWh. For electric power
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> delivered to the grid, one gets the Nordpool FI price minus a margin. This
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> price varies, but it usually is within the range of 30-50 €/MWh. At the
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> moment it is about 35 €. This means that it mostly is clearly more
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> interesting to produce heat than power.
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> In the entire building in Lestijärvi, there was no smell of tar or smoke,
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> and the process seemed to run very smoothly. Time by time one could hear
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> small amounts of wood chips being fed to the gasifier. As is mentioned in
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> the video, there is no access to the interiors of the gasifier except the
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> two 2” plugs on the side. In the gas piping there is a small trap for
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> flyash, but it this is not really designed for removing much anything.
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> The gasifier was fed with wood chips with a humidity of about 30 % and
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> according to the inventor additional water was added at a rate of 10 l/h.
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> The statements of how much fuel was measured to be consumed per produced
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> MWh were not believable, 200 litres of wood chips/MWh. This is about one
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> fourth to one fifth of the amount that should be needed. Mr. Heimonen was
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> very aware of this himself too. I have been dealing with gasification for
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> many years and seen and heard unbelievable statements before too. When
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> something is too good for being true, it tends to show up that it also is
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> not. Water did not burn in Reisijärvi either despite earlier statements
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> made by another company… This unit in Lestijärvi is the most impossible
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> unit I have seen so far, but it seems to work. I can not believe the
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> efficiency statements and the presented values, but I can see that the 
> unit
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> produces a clean gas and that the process seems to run very smoothly.
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> Measurements made by VTT (Technical research centre of Finland) on one of
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> the earlier units also showed impossible values. The construction of the
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> gasifier is a well kept secret. No patents or other documents on this are
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> available.
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> I keep my thumbs for Turos team and Mr. Heimonen! Gasification suffers
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> from too many failures, success stories are needed! The laws of nature are
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> hard to break, but also if the values are not true, a well functioning
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> system is worth a lot.
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> Fredrik Ek
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> fredrik.ek at xylogas.fi
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> +358407547182
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> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:06:45 -0800, "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com>
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>> I liked that as well. Do we have any idea what “gasification” scheme
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> they
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>> are using? They say they have a gasifier and that they are making high
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>> hydrogen but they carefully avoided showing any useful pictures of the
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>> reactor. We see a lot of gauges and pipe fittings in these videos.
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>> Tom
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>> From: Gasification
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> [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org]
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>> On
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>> Behalf Of Thomas Koch
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>> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:25 PM
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>> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification;
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>> Gasification at bioenergylists.org
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>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] HKG BIONEAR
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>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKbYDF9Hp0o&feature=player_embedded
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>> I love the last 10 seconds of the video
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>> This plant is not designed to be repaired – it is designed to run
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>> smoothly.
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>> Best regards
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>> Thomas Koch
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>> Fra: Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org]
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>> På
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>> vegne af kari käräjäoja
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>> Sendt: 11. december 2013 21:00
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>> Til: Gasification at bioenergylists.org
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>> Emne: [Gasification] HKG BIONEAR
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKbYDF9Hp0o
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>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKbYDF9Hp0o&feature=player_embedded>
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>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKbYDF9Hp0o
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>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKbYDF9Hp0o&feature=player_embedded>
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>> VISITED TODAY THIS 4,2 MW ENERGY  station.
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>> VERY IMPRESSIVE!
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>> Made in Finland. PROUDLY1 SEE WHY...
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> -- 
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> Fredrik Ek
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> fredrik.ek at xylogas.fi
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> +358407547182
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