[Gasification] Making char vs producer gas
David Murphy
djfmurphy at dodo.com.au
Wed Mar 19 01:23:56 CDT 2014
Peter, I am absolutely thrilled to see that you
are commercialising your brillant gasifier at last !
David Murphy.
On 19/03/2014 2:10 PM, Peter Davies wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> Sorry if the slowness of my own response makes
> the conversation a bit disjointed but I have
> other priorities taking up my time. To be clear
> our system produces both engine grade gas at the
> top end of the heating value range for naturally
> aspirated down draft gasifiers AND concurrently
> a useful high quality char output, there is no
> "perhaps" about it. The systems gas outputs were
> independently collected and tested on several
> occasions and I have provided you with copies of
> lab certificates as courtesy in the past. I
> respect the right of others to doubt, and
> understand your own commercial interests here,
> but I only make comment where I feel it can add
> some value and to encourage others to question
> old narrow system specific wisdom's and explore
> for themselves.
>
> In regard your suggestion of a conflict with
> some other person you don't publicly name you
> overstep considerably in any understanding of my
> circumstances, nor do I appreciate attempts at
> lumping me in with the same behavior I abhor.
> Raising such red herrings in the middle of a
> discussion has no place and only detracts from it.
>
> In regard "cheap" words this is why we spent
> considerable time and money traveling systems
> 7500km to successful public demonstrations since
> 2009 including one on the lawns of Parliament
> House Canberra, not a venue for the feint
> hearted or place for a system that did not work.
> Running a small second hand 16hp twin cylinder
> engine on the gas whilst operating a concurrent
> smokeless flare and producing charcoal, all with
> a gasifier tied on a trailer that only had crude
> gas cooling and no filtering! A notable comment
> from one of the pollies present at the time (now
> the Federal Minister for Industry) was that
> "...you are a brave man, running a old Briggs
> Stratton engine in preference to a new reliable
> Honda!" I am sure yourself and many far less
> honorable would wish for us to reveal intimate
> details of our designs, however I cannot be
> goaded into it. There are many on this list who
> have genuine and commercial gasification
> technologies who do not always contribute to
> discussions and certainly don't share
> proprietary information.
>
> As for due diligence we expect and encourage it
> always and in our own case are commercialising
> our systems in the first instance through
> leasing or JV arrangements where we take the
> financial risk, no performance no pay. As this
> is being done through our own resources, not
> sucking in mug investors or otherwise ripping
> people off it is necessarily a task requiring
> patience, but we now have >1.2MWe worth of
> systems being prepared right now, the first of
> which have successfully gone through
> commissioning testing (including cold starts on
> dry wood chip) and will now be deployed over the
> coming weeks into a range of commercial
> settings. It is not important to us whether
> commentators on this or any other list believe
> it to be true.
>
> I respect your knowledge Doug, in the past it
> has given me insights that when working with our
> own designs have led to break through in
> understanding and ultimately a different way of
> doing things that has substantially improved
> performance at every level. I don't pretend to
> know everything about gasification, but my own
> experience over 30 years is that I don't know
> anyone who does. This is what makes the journey
> of discovery exciting and if our own success has
> taught us anything it is that there is much more
> yet to learn, and other people sharing their
> failures does indeed help with this. Happily
> gasification wins are coming.
>
> Kind regards,
> Peter
>
>
> On 3/16/2014 3:37 PM, Doug wrote:
>> Hi Peter and Colleagues.
>>
>> Sorry for the delay in this reply:
>
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