[Gasification] questions

Fri Feb 20 16:03:29 CST 2015

The popular conception about recycling crop wastes for better soil conditions and fertilizing has it's limits. First of all, if you have as an example, a zinc deficient soil, the crop will be zinc deficient and by putting this back into the ground, the carbon, aluminum, phosphate and other nutrients in the organic matter will further dilute and deplete the zinc level and make it worse. Over time phosphate does not migrate out of the rhizosphere and accumulates causing other nutrient deficiencies and eventually reduces the crop potential. Nitrogen fertilizer will temporarily overcome this problem, but it also has it's problems with long term use. 
	I have spent many years dealing with soils damaged by continuous long term recycling of organic matter and know how to overcome it while producing exceptional crop production and lowering water, herbicide, insecticide, nitrogen and other inputs. 
	There has been work done to capture the non-food portions of a crop during harvest by putting a baling unit behind the harvester and bale the stalks etc. 
Sincerely,
Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
Agronics Inc. 
www.agronicsinc.com

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    Kermit,

  I also forgot...the starch for ethanol is in the kernels, not the cobs.

  http://northernselfreliance.com/ethanol-fuel/

  Stephen

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       Kermit,

    They make great cattle feed and the ash content is high enough to cause clinkering problems.  There are just better uses for them.

    Stephen

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  From: Kermit Schlansker <kssustain at gmail.com>
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               One major question that I have about gasification is why corn cobs are not mentioned more as a major fuel source. There must be a lot of them and as combined heat and power they could keep farm houses, schools, and apartments warm. I know that some of them are returned to the soil and some are probably used to distill ethanol. Wouldn’t it be better to distill the ethanol with solar energy or with combined heat and manufacturing (comanufacturing)? Is cellulosic ethanol likely to become important? Another question is, can we gasify the cobs and then return the ashes to the soil or must we put carbon back to the soil to fertilize it?  Would powdered coal stay indefinitely in the soil and do the same thing? On this list I have seen opinions on both side of this but I hope someone knows the truth. 
                Since fertilizer is all important to gasification and it will be scarce, we should consider the use of sewage for fertilizer. One of the reasons that sewage is said to be unfit is that medicines and other impurities would poison us. Wouldn’t gasification destroy many of these organic compounds and thus purify the ashes so they could be used as fertilizer for food crops? Inorganic compounds probably would not be destroyed and in recycling fertilizer, salt might be the ultimate pollutant.   
                Tom Reed’s gasification driven tractor seemed to me to be one of the best gasification projects. I did think that the sheet metal would rust pretty quickly and that it needed cast iron. I wonder if it ever worked enough to plow with. I believe that some farm made ethanol used as a starting and power increasing fuel might make it more practical. Making farming self supporting in terms of energy seems like a good idea.
             There are many corn fields surrounding Ann Arbor yet the best energy project the city has came up with is a large array of solar panels. Why not use those corn cobs? Where is the propaganda machine for biomass energy? I believe that available biomass energy is greater than either solar or wind but the environmentalists ignore and deplore it. One way to advertise the virtue of biomass energy would be to create a large farm with an apartment on it. Gasification, can combine heat and power for the building and also create enough fuel for plowing from farm biomass. This would create a huge advertising of the need for gasification. 

                                                           K Schlansker                        

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