[Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust

Nicolò Cerni cerni at altair-international.com
Wed Mar 23 14:39:49 CDT 2016


Hello

sorry I ll be back Monday

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2016-03-23 20:01 GMT+01:00 DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES <
dimitris at kokaras.gr>:

> Hi Nicolo.
> Thank you (but I believe that giving me an offer is irrelevant to the
> purpose of this list, isn't it?)
> Now to the point:
> According to my calulations, if we consider that a saturated genset
> exhaust stream is @ 415 oC with absolute humidity of 800 gr/kgr (stream A,
> this is what I ask - if its humidity is correct) and we mix it 50%-50% with
> ambient air of 25 oC with 50% relative humidity(stream B), the resulting
> stream will be a mixture of about 220 oC with an absolute humidity ~400
> gr/kgr(stream C).
> This mixture stream C has a drying potential, but I do not know if  the
> assumption on stream A is correct.
> Any ideas?
> Best Regards
> Dimitris
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> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
> thank you for your replies,
> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from
> physics point of view...
> Anybody?
> Best Regards
> Dimitris
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>> Hello all.
>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset
>> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Dimitris
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>> Hallo Dimitris,
>>
>> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but
>> the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry wet
>> biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or even
>> ignite the biomass.
>> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple setup:
>> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
>> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
>> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff could
>> be taken out below.
>> Seems simple...
>>
>> best regards
>>
>> Rolf
>>
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>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
>> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all.
>>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
>>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> Dimitris
>>>
>>
>>
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> hello
> we know we must offer our system
> is it ok?
>
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> 2016-03-23 18:38 GMT+01:00 Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES <
> dimitris at kokaras.gr>:
>
> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
>> thank you for your replies,
>> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from
>> physics point of view...
>> Anybody?
>> Best Regards
>> Dimitris
>>
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>> > Hello all.
>> > Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>> > I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>> > What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>> >
>> > Best Regards
>> > Dimitris
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>> > Hallo Dimitris,
>> >
>> > no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but
>> the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry wet
>> biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or even
>> ignite the biomass.
>> > I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple setup:
>> > A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
>> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
>> > They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff
>> could be taken out below.
>> > Seems simple...
>> >
>> > best regards
>> >
>> > Rolf
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
>> > "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello all.
>> >> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>> >> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>> >> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards
>> >> Dimitris
>> >
>>
>> --
>> ??????,
>>
>> ???????? ???????
>> ????.???????????? ????????? - MSc
>> _______________________________________
>> ??????? & ??????????
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