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Interesting paper. I am surprised that your efficiencies were that good with a relatively slow turning turbine. </div>
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<div>One of the show stoppers I found was that the cost of a Tesla turbine is MUCH higher that a conventional centrifugal device. A simple centrifugal tubine can be cast and quickly finish where a Tesla requires a lot of hand assembly. </div>
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<div>The other problem I ran into was the speed limitation due an unreinforced bore. You just can't can't crank them high enough.</div>
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From: jim mason <<A href="mailto:jim@allpowerlabs.org">jim@allpowerlabs.org</A>><br>
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <<A href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>><br>
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<div id=AOLMsgPart_0_c63e58ab-d24d-48da-a00a-72172d6891b1><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">the rotor made from the spinning disk with vanes between we have not</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">yet tested. we should i agree. we have testing the one sided version</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">with vanes at various angles forward and back from perpendicular. i</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">was surprised to find it makes little difference. backward rake,</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">espeically curve backwards at the tip is done with pro fans to reduce</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">noise, not increase pressure/vac. it actually reduces performance a</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">bit.</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">it has taken awhile to get through my head that these fans are working</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">as centrifugal devices, not pressure devices. the blades are not</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">levers or pumps. they are simple accelerators for air mass. your</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">pressure/vac is coming from velocity and inertia/momentum.</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">this is why the tightness to the walls makes little difference. i've</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">moved the rotor / wall tolerance around quite a bit and saw very</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">little diffference. i've read this is also why you see less double</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">walled rotors that one might expect. but i've yet to test this so</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">can't really say. greg says he gets 25% more out of these types.</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">some devices in the weed blower vac world put vanes on both sides of</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">teh disk. but i think this is to prevent the weeds from getting stuck</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">on the back of the disk. see the toro blower for example of this.</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">arnt raises an interesting concern about the rotor bending. the other</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">way to deal with this would be to make a full slot for the vanes, and</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">push the vanes through so they stick out on both sides. put a hole in</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">the center so air can feed to both sides of the rotor.</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">and . . . i have to suggest it. . .</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">this might finally be a reasonable application for a tesla turbine.</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">many parallel disks, no vanes or welding. problem is the distance</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">between the disks needs to be related to the laminar layer thickness</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">at the rpms one is running. the distances are usually very small.</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">like a few 100ths of an inch. these are difficult tolerances to</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">maintain with junk cut metal.</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">however, it begs to be tried. we will soon here. maybe at the</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">workshop next weekend.</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">j</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Greg Manning <<A href="mailto:a31ford@gmail.com">a31ford@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> Greetings Jim, and list members.</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> Jim, if you want a better fan, (and cheaper), simply make 2 disks (one</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> mounts on the shaft, the other has the larger hole for the inlet.)</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> then use strips of heavy tin (or light gauge metal) and form them into a Z</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> shape (well, an L with a dog leg the other end, and the opposite way,</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> somewhat like a "90 degree Z")</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> take these and pop rivet with STEEL rivets (NOT aluminum ones) so they are</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> sandwiched between the two disks in a radial fashion (like your welded</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> version on your site, BUT with the extra disk on the inlet side of things.</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> the extra disk should run as close as it can to the outer housing the</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> Bernoulli principal will help stabilize the outer disk, and the outer disk</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> will add about 25% more suction to the unit for the same RPM (therefore the</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> entire unit could be built smaller and lighter).</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> Greg Manning,</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> Canadian Gasifier Ltd.</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> Building Hi-Performance Gasifiers, Since 2001</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> Brandon, Manitoba, Canada</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> 1 (204) 726-1851</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: 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white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> To: <A href="mailto:gasification@bioenergylists.org">gasification@bioenergylists.org</A></SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> Subject: [Gasification] tests to design a new cheap gasifier fan</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> we've been doing some work lately to design a new fan/blower that will</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> produce the needed vac and heat tolerance for gasifier operation. as</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> we all know, there is not an inexpensive source for such a thing from</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> other industries and applications. thus we had to build one for the</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> early gek kits.</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> the original gek fan proved to not be strong enough once we finally</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> characterized the vac numbers that produce the flow/heat rates that</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> correspond to full tar conversion. the ejector/venturi solution we're</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> using currently produces plenty of vac and is very flexible, but</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> requires compressed air. this is not good for many off grid</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> situations. thus we still need a good fan/blower source. and one</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> that works on 12vdc, not an ac source.</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> here's the info an pictures of our recent tests to produce this. we</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> are working towards a much simplified solution that also gets rid of</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> the welding to make it. this is based on the common car/truck fasco</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> type fan motor.</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: 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white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> - ALL Power Labs on Twitter: <A href="http://twitter.com/allpowerlabs" target=_blank>http://twitter.com/allpowerlabs</A></SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> - Shipyard Announce list:</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><A href="http://lists.spaceship.com/listinfo.cgi/icp-spaceship.com" target=_blank>http://lists.spaceship.com/listinfo.cgi/icp-spaceship.com</A></SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">_______________________________________________</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Gasification mailing list</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><A href="mailto:Gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">Gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</A></SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE 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