<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Dear Mark and all</div><div><br></div><div>Gasoline is approximately CH2 (long chains of -CH2- capped with two Hs). Combustion is then</div><div><br></div><div>CH2 + 1.5 O2==> CO2 + H2O</div><div><br></div><div>So the CO2 and H2O are equal on a volume basis. Weight basis the ratio is 44/18. </div><div><br></div><div>Certainly if you cool the exhaust below about 70 C you should get condensation. </div><div><br></div><div> Tom Reed. BEF<br>Sent from Tom Reed's Ipad</div><div><br>On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:14 AM, "Mark Ludlow" <<a href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">mark@ludlow.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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guessing that the I.C. exhaust must have a substantial H2O component, in
addition to CO and CO2. While it may be relatively small at I.C. exhaust
temperatures, once it has transferred its sensible heat to the feed stock, I
imagine that the exhaust gas must be close to saturation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 18, 2010 11:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] the most important thing (quite possibly)
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about direct contact of the wood chips with the exhaust gas. A
pre-processing reactor that cooks the chips a little batch at a time then dumps
them into the main gasifier reactor, via auger feed. As you say a "just in
time" pipeline flow of pre-cooked, pre- heated reactants. Water can
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torrified, and the exhaust gas stream will drive off and purge the wood fuel of
moisture and volatiles, whilst raising the temperature of the fuel
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thinking of a dual fuel Lister being started up on diesel to raise process heat
and provide mechanical and electrical power for starting up gasifier), this
will contain between 8% and 17% unused oxygen, and around 80% nitrogen.
Would the O2 be of sufficient quantity to cause partial oxidation of the fuel
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engine - it will again be around 80% nitrogen, plus CO2 and CO. If
this relatively inert hot gas is used to purge the woodfuel of all moisture and
volatiles - is the resultant off-gas ever going to have sufficient combustible
constituents that it could be ignited in any sort of air fed burner - or is the
nitrogen loading just too high?<o:p></o:p></p>
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Pushing calories around in the DTU graphic model, I find moving
heat into the fuel is indeed the best use, for loose BTUs.<br>
In practice, heat transfer into wood is not easy because of limited
conduction and radiation, and zero convection in a mound of fuel.<br>
The GEK method is like stir-frying vegetables in a wok; forcing
convection. As each particle, contacts the walls of the pyrocoil; they cook.<br>
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Someday I want to attempt direct contact of the wood with engine exhaust gas,
after solving a certain sealing problem. <br>
A "just in time" inventory of heated wood; roasted to perfection.<br>
It is a shovel ready project.<br>
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Looking forward to your findings. <br>
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