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color:#1F497D'>Jim,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I wonder of the gasifier groups in Finland and Sweden who have
been represented on this list have done gas analysis. We have certainly seen
some reuse of WWI equipment http://www.vedbil.se<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.woodgas.fi">http://www.woodgas.fi</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ekoautoilijat.fi/tekstit/kalustoesittely.htm">http://www.ekoautoilijat.fi/tekstit/kalustoesittely.htm</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I saw a German gas producer last month in a museum in Northeastern
Brazil. It had been one of the "gaseificadores" used in 1943 to run
tractors on a sugar plantation. They did show a film of plowing with the gasifier
powered tractor but unfortunately pictures and probing were not allowed in the
museum. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Tom Miles <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>jim
mason<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 31, 2010 12:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] No time for beer in Munich- there's a real
live imbert gasifier here<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:53 AM, thomas reed <<a
href="mailto:tombreed2009@gmail.com">tombreed2009@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Jim:<br>
<br>
Sounds like a very instructive visit. We saw one in less detail in a
Danish museum. Pics are great...<o:p></o:p></p>
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tom, i thought i remembered reading in one of your books that you had a real
imbert early at nrel. somehow i seem to remember some story of you
running wood pellets in it. am i remembering this correctly?<br>
<br>
it would be highly interesting to actually get one of these to run with full
instrumentation. while i can wave hands about what i saw and how it
likely ran in relation to what we know now, a proper run with the equivalent
datalogging we use on ours would be highly informing. unlikely we'd ever
get the dm unit to do this. maybe we can find/borrow one from elsewhere.<br>
<br>
tom, there will be many more pictures of the insides. the interesting
parts are all the insides of the reactor, and how elaborate the filtering
system was.<br>
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j<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>TOM REED<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Ronald Hongsermeier <<a
href="mailto:rwhongser@web.de" target="_blank">rwhongser@web.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>jim,<br>
forgot to say: P.S. cf GEK forum post<br>
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<span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>ron<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>Von:</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'> "jim mason" <<a href="mailto:jim@allpowerlabs.org"
target="_blank">jim@allpowerlabs.org</a>><br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> 31.10.2010 18:05:26<br>
<b>An:</b> "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification" <<a
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>Betreff:</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'> Re: [Gasification] No time for beer in Munich- there's a real
live imbert gasifier here<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Arnt Karlsen <<a
href="mailto:arnt@c2i.net" target="_blank">arnt@c2i.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:01:30 -0700, jim wrote in message<br>
<AANLkTin=<a
href="mailto:r4kWhoJRNmZ2PVPSEcDt9-yTd_teRGpFONG8@mail.gmail.com"
target="_blank">r4kWhoJRNmZ2PVPSEcDt9-yTd_teRGpFONG8@mail.gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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> i'm still in munich and still enjoying the deutsches museum. <br>
><br>
> <a
href="http://www.gekgasifier.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1002&c=newimages"
target="_blank">http://www.gekgasifier.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1002&c=newimages</a><br>
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> also, there turned out to be another vehicle with an imbert gasifier<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>..what year are these 2 gasifiers, or rather,<br>
when where they last serviced or modified?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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both i now realize have been rebuilt, or rather, cleaned up and rerun in more
contemporary times. the specifics of this i have yet to figure out.
with a little more work we likely can. the history of the exhibits in the
dm is very well kept. another interesting thing that surfaced is that the
dm has a very large archive where they collect and keep machinery manuals,
brochures and general consumable literature on these type of devices. it
is very likely there is some interesting things to discover there too.<br>
<br>
either way, as for these machines, they've had some attention and been run in
more recent times. the fuel in the adler one is more recently cut
dimensioned lumber, not the wwII fuel. i took some samples from the char
at various levels if we want to explore it.<br>
<br>
the filters on the adler have been cleaned and repainted and never run
after. the yellow thing in the picture with me is a baffle plate array
from the horizontal ash tube on the side of the reactor. the baffle array
was brand new. the tube and all plumbing was original. the water filter
and packed bed in the front were cleaned out, but still original. the
reactor itself is unrestored, like the rest of the adler. all the vessels
show some rust and age, but are still well intact. they seem to be either
16 or 18awg mild steel. the hearth is cast, about 1/4 - 3/8" thick.<br>
<br>
the ford truck has had a full off frame restoration. they appear to
have done the gasifier at the same time. then ran it again, as the bottom
of the reactor has all the paint burned off, just like ours! the water
filter was very messy inside. i didn't see in the rest as i didn't have
permission for that one.<br>
<br>
the dm runs lots of their equipment. they do demos for visitors, and
appear to take some out for special ocassions. it is far from a hands on
museum, but they do run and move around the equipment it appears. there
are pictures of various machines in parades and such. the dm is a major
national project, and they enjoy showing some of the accomplishments.
there are a good deal of steam engines set up to run on compressed air within
the museum. several of the very large ones, like the watt engine, are run
on compressed air. the whole room smells of machine oil. some of
the ic engines simiarly have exhaust pipes ported to vents so they can be run.<br>
<br>
somehow in this, both of the gasifiers were run recently. not a ton, but
a bit, and certainly more recently than wwII.<br>
<br>
j<br>
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