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    great discussion you have made about the history of Imbert
    gasifier....<br>
    <br>
    All these motivate me a lot to visiter the museum in Munich by
    myself.....<br>
    <br>
    Thanks for sharing these with us.<br>
    <br>
    Li<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Le 31/10/2010 20:11, jim mason a écrit :
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:53 AM, thomas
        reed <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:tombreed2009@gmail.com">tombreed2009@gmail.com</a>></span>
        wrote:<br>
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          Jim:<br>
          <br>
          Sounds like a very instructive visit.  We saw one in less
          detail in a Danish museum.  Pics are great...<br>
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          tom, i thought i remembered reading in one of your books that
          you had a real imbert early at nrel.  somehow i seem to
          remember some story of you running wood pellets in it.  am i
          remembering this correctly?<br>
          <br>
          it would be highly interesting to actually get one of these to
          run with full instrumentation.  while i can wave hands about
          what i saw and how it likely ran in relation to what we know
          now, a proper run with the equivalent datalogging we use on
          ours would be highly informing.  unlikely we'd ever get the dm
          unit to do this.  maybe we can find/borrow one from elsewhere.<br>
          <br>
          tom, there will be many more pictures of the insides.  the
          interesting parts are all the insides of the reactor, and how
          elaborate the filtering system was.<br>
          <br>
          j<br>
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          TOM REED
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:02 PM,
                Ronald Hongsermeier <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                    href="mailto:rwhongser@web.de" target="_blank">rwhongser@web.de</a>></span>
                wrote:<br>
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                  <div>jim,<br>
                    forgot to say: P.S. cf GEK forum post<br>
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                                  <b>Von:</b> "jim mason" <<a
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                                    href="mailto:jim@allpowerlabs.org"
                                    target="_blank">jim@allpowerlabs.org</a>><br>
                                  <b>Gesendet:</b> 31.10.2010 18:05:26<br>
                                  <b>An:</b> "Discussion of biomass
                                  pyrolysis and gasification" <<a
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                                <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gasification] No
                                time for beer in Munich- there's a real
                                live imbert gasifier here
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                                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct
                                      31, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Arnt Karlsen
                                      <span><<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:arnt@c2i.net"
                                          target="_blank">arnt@c2i.net</a>></span>
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                        style="border-left: 1px solid
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                                        1ex;">On Sat, 30 Oct 2010
                                        20:01:30 -0700, jim wrote in
                                        message<br>
                                        <AANLkTin=<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:r4kWhoJRNmZ2PVPSEcDt9-yTd_teRGpFONG8@mail.gmail.com"
                                          target="_blank">r4kWhoJRNmZ2PVPSEcDt9-yTd_teRGpFONG8@mail.gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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                                          > i'm still in munich and
                                          still enjoying the deutsches
                                          museum. <br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.gekgasifier.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1002&c=newimages"
                                            target="_blank">http://www.gekgasifier.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1002&c=newimages</a><br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > also, there turned out to
                                          be another vehicle with an
                                          imbert gasifier<br>
                                          <br>
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                                      <div> </div>
                                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                        style="border-left: 1px solid
                                        rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt
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                                        1ex;">..what year are these 2
                                        gasifiers, or rather,<br>
                                        when where they last serviced or
                                        modified?<br>
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                                        both i now realize have been
                                        rebuilt, or rather, cleaned up
                                        and rerun in more contemporary
                                        times.  the specifics of this i
                                        have yet to figure out.  with a
                                        little more work we likely can. 
                                        the history of the exhibits in
                                        the dm is very well kept. 
                                        another interesting thing that
                                        surfaced is that the dm has a
                                        very large archive where they
                                        collect and keep machinery
                                        manuals, brochures and general
                                        consumable literature on these
                                        type of devices.  it is very
                                        likely there is some interesting
                                        things to discover there too.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        either way, as for these
                                        machines, they've had some
                                        attention and been run in more
                                        recent times.  the fuel in the
                                        adler one is more recently cut
                                        dimensioned lumber, not the wwII
                                        fuel.  i took some samples from
                                        the char at various levels if we
                                        want to explore it.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        the filters on the adler have
                                        been cleaned and repainted and
                                        never run after.  the yellow
                                        thing in the picture with me is
                                        a baffle plate array from the
                                        horizontal ash tube on the side
                                        of the reactor.  the baffle
                                        array was brand new. the tube
                                        and all plumbing was original. 
                                        the water filter and packed bed
                                        in the front were cleaned out,
                                        but still original.  the reactor
                                        itself is unrestored, like the
                                        rest of the adler.  all the
                                        vessels show some rust and age,
                                        but are still well intact.  they
                                        seem to be either 16 or 18awg
                                        mild steel.  the hearth is cast,
                                        about 1/4 - 3/8" thick.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        the ford truck has had a full
                                        off frame restoration.  they
                                        appear to  have done the
                                        gasifier at the same time.  then
                                        ran it again, as the bottom of
                                        the reactor has all the paint
                                        burned off, just like ours!  the
                                        water filter was very messy
                                        inside.  i didn't see in the
                                        rest as i didn't have permission
                                        for that one.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        the dm runs lots of their
                                        equipment.  they do demos for
                                        visitors, and appear to take
                                        some out for special ocassions. 
                                        it is far from a hands on
                                        museum, but they do run and move
                                        around the equipment it
                                        appears.  there are pictures of
                                        various machines in parades and
                                        such.  the dm is a major
                                        national project, and they enjoy
                                        showing some of the
                                        accomplishments.  there are a
                                        good deal of steam engines set
                                        up to run on compressed air
                                        within the museum.  several of
                                        the very large ones, like the
                                        watt engine, are run on
                                        compressed air.  the whole room
                                        smells of machine oil.  some of
                                        the ic engines simiarly have
                                        exhaust pipes ported to vents so
                                        they can be run.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        somehow in this, both of the
                                        gasifiers were run recently. 
                                        not a ton, but a bit, and
                                        certainly more recently than
                                        wwII.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        j<br>
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                                            saw<br>
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                                            expedience, simplicity, and
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