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great discussion you have made about the history of Imbert
gasifier....<br>
<br>
All these motivate me a lot to visiter the museum in Munich by
myself.....<br>
<br>
Thanks for sharing these with us.<br>
<br>
Li<br>
<br>
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Le 31/10/2010 20:11, jim mason a écrit :
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:53 AM, thomas
reed <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Jim:<br>
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Sounds like a very instructive visit. We saw one in less
detail in a Danish museum. Pics are great...<br>
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tom, i thought i remembered reading in one of your books that
you had a real imbert early at nrel. somehow i seem to
remember some story of you running wood pellets in it. am i
remembering this correctly?<br>
<br>
it would be highly interesting to actually get one of these to
run with full instrumentation. while i can wave hands about
what i saw and how it likely ran in relation to what we know
now, a proper run with the equivalent datalogging we use on
ours would be highly informing. unlikely we'd ever get the dm
unit to do this. maybe we can find/borrow one from elsewhere.<br>
<br>
tom, there will be many more pictures of the insides. the
interesting parts are all the insides of the reactor, and how
elaborate the filtering system was.<br>
<br>
j<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:02 PM,
Ronald Hongsermeier <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>jim,<br>
forgot to say: P.S. cf GEK forum post<br>
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<b>Von:</b> "jim mason" <<a
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<b>Gesendet:</b> 31.10.2010 18:05:26<br>
<b>An:</b> "Discussion of biomass
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<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gasification] No
time for beer in Munich- there's a real
live imbert gasifier here
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct
31, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Arnt Karlsen
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1ex;">On Sat, 30 Oct 2010
20:01:30 -0700, jim wrote in
message<br>
<AANLkTin=<a
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> i'm still in munich and
still enjoying the deutsches
museum. <br>
><br>
> <a
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> also, there turned out to
be another vehicle with an
imbert gasifier<br>
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1ex;">..what year are these 2
gasifiers, or rather,<br>
when where they last serviced or
modified?<br>
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both i now realize have been
rebuilt, or rather, cleaned up
and rerun in more contemporary
times. the specifics of this i
have yet to figure out. with a
little more work we likely can.
the history of the exhibits in
the dm is very well kept.
another interesting thing that
surfaced is that the dm has a
very large archive where they
collect and keep machinery
manuals, brochures and general
consumable literature on these
type of devices. it is very
likely there is some interesting
things to discover there too.<br>
<br>
either way, as for these
machines, they've had some
attention and been run in more
recent times. the fuel in the
adler one is more recently cut
dimensioned lumber, not the wwII
fuel. i took some samples from
the char at various levels if we
want to explore it.<br>
<br>
the filters on the adler have
been cleaned and repainted and
never run after. the yellow
thing in the picture with me is
a baffle plate array from the
horizontal ash tube on the side
of the reactor. the baffle
array was brand new. the tube
and all plumbing was original.
the water filter and packed bed
in the front were cleaned out,
but still original. the reactor
itself is unrestored, like the
rest of the adler. all the
vessels show some rust and age,
but are still well intact. they
seem to be either 16 or 18awg
mild steel. the hearth is cast,
about 1/4 - 3/8" thick.<br>
<br>
the ford truck has had a full
off frame restoration. they
appear to have done the
gasifier at the same time. then
ran it again, as the bottom of
the reactor has all the paint
burned off, just like ours! the
water filter was very messy
inside. i didn't see in the
rest as i didn't have permission
for that one.<br>
<br>
the dm runs lots of their
equipment. they do demos for
visitors, and appear to take
some out for special ocassions.
it is far from a hands on
museum, but they do run and move
around the equipment it
appears. there are pictures of
various machines in parades and
such. the dm is a major
national project, and they enjoy
showing some of the
accomplishments. there are a
good deal of steam engines set
up to run on compressed air
within the museum. several of
the very large ones, like the
watt engine, are run on
compressed air. the whole room
smells of machine oil. some of
the ic engines simiarly have
exhaust pipes ported to vents so
they can be run.<br>
<br>
somehow in this, both of the
gasifiers were run recently.
not a ton, but a bit, and
certainly more recently than
wwII.<br>
<br>
j<br>
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