<div>Helo KEVIN</div><div><br></div><div>Well done your words making all the points , yet need refinement at the end with final conclusion.Some point </div><div><br></div><div>Is N2 and co2 free need only to be syngas , or this is pure syngas which Greg do not agree</div>
<div><br></div><div>Syngas can be any gas , can include producer gas , water gas .Historically Syngas the latest , process independent as Tom correctly conclude that syngas is general one where as the other are more specific </div>
<div><br></div><div>your truely</div><div><br></div><div>Dr.Pannirselvam.P.V</div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Kevin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net">kchisholm@ca.inter.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>We seem to be going around in great big circles!!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Can we first define "Syngas"?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I believe the term refers to "Synthesis Gas", and not "Synthetic
Gas."</div>
<div> </div>
<div>"Synthesis Gas" can be gas of any composition which is used to synthesize a
subsequent product. If "Synthesis Gas" is used as a fuel, it is not being used
to synthesize a product, and is therefore not "Synthesis Gas", but rather is
simply "Fuel Gas."</div>
<div> </div>
<div>"Producer Gas" is any gas produced by a "Gas Producer." GEK's Larosifiers,
and Wellman-Galushas are all "gas producers. A Coke Oven is a "Gas Producer,
producing "Coke Oven Gas." "Water Gas"is another "Producer Gas" produced by
introducing steam to incandescent carbon (charcoal or coke)</div>
<div> </div>
<div>A "Stratified Downdraft Gasifier" produces "Producer Gas", and if the
feedstock was wood, this "producer gas" would be "Wood Gas." They produce a gas
that is high in tars, and while it is an excellent "Fuel Grade Gas", for direct
burning, it has far too much tar content to be used as an "Engine Grade Gas."
(EGG). Imbert style Gasifiers, when properly configured, as is the GEK, can
produce a wood gas, or a producer gas, that is adequately low in tar content,
such that it can be used for fuel in a burner, or it can be used as feed to an
engine. If the GEK output gas was used for processing further to yield a
different product, then it would be producing a "synthesis gas", and it would
indeed be proper to state that it was producing "syngas."</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thats how I see things.... am I missing something?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Kevin Chisholm</div>
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<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] Syngas on
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<div>I believe we are all ardent admirers of Jim's Gek, the continual
improvements made to the design and automatic control for the production of
clean flammable gas is the objects of our admiration.</div>
<div>However, there are many among us, who believe the term "Syngas" describes
a synthetic version of a naturally occurring organic compound (methane).which
has far more energy content than the production of a GEK<font style="background-color:transparent" color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">.</font></div>
<div><font style="background-color:transparent" color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">If the GEK really produces "Syngas" there are obviously no
improvements to be made to the QUALITY of the gas
produced. The GEK has most certainly "arrived".</font></div>
<div>If we believe this then we can all pack up and go home. What is the
object of this site if some one has found the Holy Grail which we all
seek.</div>
<div>On the other hand, there are rules for successfully marketing a
product and Jim has not broken any of these.</div>
<div><font style="background-color:transparent" color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">He needs to describe his product in the best possible light in
order to fuel the continued research and development he has shared with
us.</font></div>
<div><font style="background-color:transparent" color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">Syngas is an excellent descriptive word, are we to have a
referendum on its application?</font></div>
<div><font style="background-color:transparent" color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font style="background-color:transparent" color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font style="background-color:transparent" color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">GF</font></div>
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<div>For me synthesis gas should have the capability of being used to
synthesis some product.<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Toby Seiler <span dir="ltr"><<a title="mailto:seilertechco@yahoo.com" href="mailto:seilertechco@yahoo.com" target="_blank">seilertechco@yahoo.com</a>></span>
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<blockquote style="border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Tom,<br> <br>Jim was right, I'm working on a
machine that is intended to some degree to integrate principles of making
synthesis gas, so I have a vested interest in his use
of terminology used in marketing his product that, I
believe, contributes to a public misunderstanding.
I've asked Jim nice many times in the past to consider the
differences that Doug, Bill Klein, Greg and many other
professionals on this list have explained to Jim and myself years
ago. <br> <br>GF (and
others) recognize that there is commercial value in marketing the
"syngas" claim in addition to the technical correctness
issue. <br> <br>Unfortunately with a mushrooming interest
in energy issues, many un or under-educated persons have now
become part of our various governments and making public
policy. Continued use of wrong terminology, now even amongst
government officials making policy decisions, eventually affects
enterprise large and small. <br> <br>I'm impressed by Jim and
his crew's ability to appeal to a large audience of interested, computer
literate folks. I wish him success.<br> <br>I don't want this
to be harsh or attacking to Jim, but feel that continued effort to make
alternative energy progress will require even greater technical
distinctions, rather than blending terms together as "generic"
terms. Please help to clear up our "english" language version of
Wiki defining these gases and their respective machinery.
<br> <br>Have a good new years. <br> <br>Toby
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