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<DIV><SPAN class=181071820-01012011><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>Very
Well Said, Bruce, "hats off to ya" !</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Greg Manning, <BR>Canadian
Gasifier Ltd. (<SPAN class=181071820-01012011><A
href="http://www.cangas.ca">http://</SPAN>www.cangas.ca</A>)<BR>Building
Hi-Performance Gasifiers, Since 2001 <BR> <BR>Brandon, Manitoba, Canada
<BR>1 (204) 726-1851 <BR> </FONT></FONT></P></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org
[mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Bruce Jackson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:14
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
gasification<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Gasification] Syngas on
Wiki_<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Hey,</DIV>
<DIV>When this thread started I was shocked. I am very literal, and don't like
terms to be confusing. At the time I couldn't remember why it bothered me, but
I knew I didn't like jim's talk of drifting meanings. I knew he was right, so
I gave that to him. Me, I built a gas producer, and it makes producer gas,
because that is what the boys back in 1906 called it. I figured I better stay
out of it because I am so archaic and not hip. Then....</DIV>
<DIV> jim asked about how C-2C connections work. Suddenly, terms like
motor, generator, engine, phase, and voltage take on very precise meanings. In
the common, non-literal world out there, you can have an engine being called a
motor. You can have "split phase" power. When jim started reading all the
common language (with their meaning drifts) he ran head on into why we should
be very precise about our terminology, why its so confusing to not be literal.
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<DIV> He was trying to learn how an engine that turns a three phase
motor, can be connected with two banks of capacitors, and used as a generator.
This is confusing enough, then when you throw in the common misconception
about the generated power's phase being "split", well it made a great example
of what this thread was all about.</DIV>
<DIV> Its almost funny...</DIV>
<DIV>An engine is a motor, but a motor uses electricity.</DIV>
<DIV>A motor is never an engine.</DIV>
<DIV>A motor is a generator when its spun by an engine or another motor.</DIV>
<DIV>A generator is a motor (on a garden tractor), but mostly its a
generator.</DIV>
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<DIV> So I guess I am firmly back home in the literal camp, and just ask
that if you change the meaning of producer gas, that you let me know, so I
mumble something else when the neighbors see me shaking my grates or stoking
my hoppers.</DIV>
<DIV>Yours in literal obfuscation,</DIV>
<DIV>Bruce Jackson<BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Bill Klein
<Bill_Klein@3iAlternativePower.com><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> a31ford@gmail.com; Discussion of
biomass pyrolysis and gasification
<gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thu, December 30, 2010 10:26:28
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[Gasification] Syngas on Wiki_<BR></FONT><BR>Well said, Greg!<BR><BR>During
this discussion several well meaning folks have alluded to the
<BR>rationalization that states if an academic paper uses the term "syngas"
<BR>rather than "producer gas" or if a governmental body does the same, it
<BR>becomes some sort of proof positive that the terms are not only
<BR>interchangeable, but we can ignore specificity in favor of a simple catch
<BR>all generic term. All because some professor wrote a paper and, though
well <BR>intentioned, ignorantly used the wrong word!!? Or someone in the
government <BR>demonstrating equal ignorance?<BR><BR>What a joke!<BR><BR>Let's
face it. Those that can, do! and those that cannot, teach! Those that
<BR>cannot teach work for the government. It's that simple.<BR><BR>Producer
gas, by any other name is still producer gas and if you don't do a <BR>good
job making it, the resulting mess is sticky, smelly and unhealthy.<BR><BR>We
manufacture gasifiers. We test the hell out of them before we ship them <BR>in
order to ensure each makes the correct amount of producer gas!<BR><BR>Have a
gassy New Year!<BR><BR>Bill Klein,<BR>3i<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original
Message ----- <BR>From: "Greg Manning" <<A href="mailto:a31ford@gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:a31ford@gmail.com">a31ford@gmail.com</A>><BR>To:
"'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'" <BR><<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
ymailto="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:31 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Syngas on
Wiki_<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>LMAO Jeff.<BR><BR>You hit two nails with the same
hammer.<BR><BR> Shells' claim is that it "cleans" (their N2 is in the
form of a "recumbent<BR>NOx format", that "Boosts" performance to the point of
a clean combustion,<BR>as per say, like a hot-rodders's "NOX"
add-on).<BR><BR><BR> Jim's statement (that you included below) Is yet
again a form of<BR>deflection, (incorrect of course), Or should I say,
Correct.......<BR><BR><BR><BR> N2 content is EXACTLY the differentiation
between "SYNGAS" and "Producer<BR>Gas"<BR><BR><BR><BR>Heck,<BR><BR>There's
Town gas, Lime gas, Produced gas, Producer gas, Coal gas, Wood gas,<BR>Piped
gas, Charcoal gas, Synthesis (Syn) gas, Lamp gas, Heating gas,<BR>Municipal
gas, Queen's gas, Lamp lighters gas, Crier's gas, and finally,<BR>Natural
gas.<BR><BR>And as Bill Kline added, the "new and Improved" "GEK Gas" as a
tongue in<BR>cheek addition to the already rampant list
above.<BR><BR><BR><BR>I'm Tired, of people trying to display a "cow" as a cow
that is "New and<BR>Improved" version (chocolate ?), don't muddy the already
bad waters of<BR>gasification, with cross-gendered, yuppie-flavored, names of
gases that<BR>simply ain't so.<BR><BR><BR><BR>I hate to say it, but... "It's
people like you, that have given<BR>gasification the bad name it already has
with investors, with your "pie in<BR>the sky claims"".<BR><BR>Jim, run your
"Syngas" un-stripped in an FT process, (that works), THEN, I<BR>will
relinquish the "the moon" to you....(you will deserve it, for your<BR>advances
in the quantum mechanics of physics).<BR><BR>Greg Manning,<BR>Canadian
Gasifier Ltd. (http://www.cangas.ca)<BR>Building Hi-Performance
Gasifiers, Since 2001<BR><BR>Brandon, Manitoba, Canada<BR>1 (204)
726-1851<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
ymailto="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</A><BR>[mailto:<A
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ymailto="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>]On
Behalf Of Jeff<BR>Davis<BR>Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:35 PM<BR>To:
Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<BR>Subject: Re:
[Gasification] Syngas on Wiki_<BR><BR><BR>Dear All,<BR><BR><BR>As a side note;
I drive by a gasoline station, maybe Shell, that puffs<BR>that they're
gasoline has nitrogen added. Interesting...<BR><BR><BR>H. N.
Y.,<BR><BR><BR>Jeff<BR><BR><BR>On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 21:07 -0800, jim mason
wrote:<BR>> percentage nitrogen density isn't really the relevant racetrack
to<BR>> work out the real issues with this
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