Helo Dough Williams, Tom Reed and Tom Miles<div><br></div><div> Our Bioenergy list is one of the biggest online well made dynamic big list forum( as I do participate very active 20 online dynamic biofuel ,yahoo, google , grouply group list ) as this has multimedia data bank with better user friendly access .Thus even new one can learn the state art very rapidly . With these very vast video data banks ,several critical analysis of energy experts such as Dough words , very well documented , eventhough some comments very hard for me and other to swallow making the point very clear showing the point that is wrong .Dough comments are like good professor critical words like practice based valuable comments are the asset of our list Not all here have deep and long practical knowledge of building real project , but always need help from the very big experts BE of you three (Dough Williams, Tom Reed and Tom Miles) for technical help without paying nothing , all free open source . Unlike many of here ,you contribute one like me need to be limited as the consumers , as we work on modeling , simulation and design only work with computer , no real work , but depend very much your well organised technical work for our survival to make innovative design and optimization </div>
<div> </div><div> I remember how Dough William has deep feeling in one debate here and once wrote about the rain forest about Big scale burning the forest in Brazil asking me to stop this in one open post .Even though Brazil is the only country auto sustainable of the energy production yet more preservation of green forest ( 40 porcent ) ,compared with biomass productivity very fast and rapidly .Unlike other country Brazil has , the biggest biomass energy using decentralized pyrolysis for sustainable green metallurgical industry showing as the good working model example for the whole world understand , learn and follow yet as Brazil far ahead .I invite other all the energy experts to make their model first in Brazil as the country become the land for Bioenergy project in the recent time , unlike the the older time where Tom Mile had very bad time , economy and government .now lees corruption , less problem for external investments.Any Brazilian can send any amount of money earned send any where of the world .brazilian pays 2 time more bank interest , yet have economic gowth. This is mainly due to good enegy policy comperde to even developed country .All energy experts are welcome here as Brazil plans to become enegy food exporter by sustainable way.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div> I fully agree with the deep green sentiments of Doughs as the Amazon is the world lung about wood globalized corrupted wood business which he knows better tahn others .It is very criminal as he declared here , I do agree totally with him as instead of burning wood , the wood need not be wasted , but made made into wealth to maintain the rich rain forest , can make into emergency survival technology in a sustainable ways, even though not always I agree his point of view such one with syngas and producer gas , i go along with Tom Miles balanced thinking and wisdom, wood gas knowledge of Tom Reed and the vast information data on gasifier work done by Dough </div>
<div><br></div><div> The three legs or three pillar one producer gas , Dough W;the other pillar Tom Reed (wood gas ) wth his true vision of wood gas bioenergy and methanol economy vision , the other last one Tom Miles, multi use bio energy small business (bioenergy syngas, the better quality producer gas ).Small biomass for the energy ,materials , fertilizer needs via this list can made possible as survival technology of any palce and any local with bioenergy utility structure neded to many place With you 3 made the first generation gasifiers , the second generation like we , Greg,Bill, Toby , Jim , Kevin every one make different way of second generation gasifiers works unike first one .With good internet connectivity , the younger one can do better work fast unlike you and our generation based on the foundation well made , easily , freely available will make diverse gasifiers and small power plant , may not be one similar to other.</div>
<div><br></div><div> Some of Dough good professor like critical provocative comments , thus making possible the list groups more dynamics , very active.Thus you have lost time , but has got many fans in the list , you as an experience guide , no problems you move where you wish , there will be many students like Jim to follow you ,can help you too make tour free wherever you wish as the list is big one.this can be gain for the time lost by you and true reward is mental satisfaction , not frustration , delusion ,, as they may attack all professional.</div>
<div><br></div><div> I totally agree with Dough that the time has come for all our list members understand and realize and fight against the waste of money in R and D with out regard to past work. Brazil , EU , Asia need not ignore the very good work done in the past.</div>
<div>I can agree with you like many energy expert frustration , really that so much time is lost mainly due to the fact that political corrupted governments do not see that the biomass energy as survival technology as you correctly pointed out is the major problem of the loss of time for bio energy project to become reality as in all the places the good real opportunity is there </div>
<div>.The loss and gain of any professional work need to take into account the what you have given , how good your work other follows .Thus not all thing is lost related with professional frustration for survival .One other important survival technology for all professional of this list what we need really is look into good health sothat one can go around the world , learn things and teach as Jim and Toms really do well </div>
<div><br></div><div>I wish you all the tree important legs (Jim wrote ) of this list (2 toms +1 Dough), for me look not as legs but as the three pillar of very Big Bioenegy complex structure, very good heath , very good collaboration as their voluntary work , making this world list forum as an good examples for other , also for the younger one for the green great futures , unlike hard way passed by all with time lost , projects failed ,dreams destroyed , The loss for one generation is made into gain for future generation , the link was made well , but it depends the younger new generation make our dreams come to reality solving real word energy problems <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><strong><font face="Arial" size="2">better, faster, cleaner and cheaper.</font></strong></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><strong><font face="Arial" size="2"><br></font></strong></span></div><div><strong><font size="2"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" style="font-family: Arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">There is urgent need to make wealth from charcoal , not simply dump in land as </span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Arial; ">fertilizer</span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"> , need new science to make green biomass based local </span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">economy</span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"> to make free the place not fall into economic falancy.make low quality pyrogas into syngas and methanol .New concept to get way confusion of producer gas , woodgas , watergas ,syngas , pyrogas , boiler gas .There is an need to make whole utilization the tar , the water all , zerowaste The fundamental question do we have technology to make methanol and CHP, Co2 biochar,activated carbon form waste or ac in small sacle </span></font></font></font></strong></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><strong><font face="Arial" size="2"><br></font></strong></span></div><div><strong><font size="2"><font class="Apple-style-span"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"> As native Indian with every tribal language speaking different language , no one understand of the other , the tribes here the energy expert , equipment experts , chemical product experts , university professor and students using several words , other can not understand, we experienced confusion regarding what is the gas made using gasifier.This confusion no longer can help us to make progress, but only add more conflicts and more confusion and hence we do not see too corruption of the political one .they take over the projects as business. Some new science , the green, the united biomass, new biomass chemistry as unification of </span></font></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Arial; ">technology</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Arial; "> </span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"> via green </span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; ">chemistry</span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"> concept is an urgent need .This new unified biomass green chemistry can be one of the topics is my </span></font>sugestion<font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"> for Dough to explore in his key note presentation, </span></font>this <font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">new science can make </span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">possible</span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"> unity ,innovation and </span></font>tecnology<font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"> change easy .Let the world follow Brazil bioenergy based economy </span></font></font></font></strong></div>
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