<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Tom Miles and All</div><div><br></div><div>Not only have I gotten smarter with age, but the fuses have become smarter as circuit breakers. So my fuse blowing days are over, except metaphorically. </div><div><br></div><div>TBR </div><div><br></div><div><br><br>Dr Thomas B Reed<div>President, The Biomass Energy Foundation</div><div><a href="http://www.Woodgas.com">www.Woodgas.com</a></div></div><div><br>On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:37 PM, "Tom Miles" <<a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Tom Reed,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I've never seen you "blow a fuse" so you must have gotten it out of your system early. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Tom Miles<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a> [mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas Reed<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:13 AM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<br><b>Cc:</b> Peter Reed; Hugh McLaughlin; Philip Reed; Kevin Reed<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] Enventix: Syngas and Biochar from Waste<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear GF and all<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">When I was a young (16) sprat I got used graphite electrodes from the movie theatre projector man and putthem in series with my mother's iron to AC melt all kinds of stuff. Also blew a lot of fuses.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Tom Reed<br><br>Dr Thomas B Reed<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">President, The Biomass Energy Foundation<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.Woodgas.com"><a href="http://www.Woodgas.com">www.Woodgas.com</a></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jan 18, 2011, at 12:54 PM, GF <<a href="mailto:gfwhell@aol.com"><a href="mailto:gfwhell@aol.com">gfwhell@aol.com</a></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div id="AOLMsgPart_2_660af827-0ce6-40dc-8c8c-e9c56828d0ea"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Arnt.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I wouldn't say it was sophisticated or difficult to rework a couple of road side microwave ovens.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="http://home.c2i.net/metaphor/mvpage.html"><a href="http://home.c2i.net/metaphor/mvpage.html">http://home.c2i.net/metaphor/mvpage.html</a></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">This guy seems to be able to cast metal and talk on his cellphone at the same time.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Extra cooling of the magnetrons is essential,the 12volt fans are only $6 each,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">An awareness of the dangers of stray radiation is useful. A sheet<br>metal enclosure suitably grounded, forming a "Faraday cage" will help.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Fluorescent tubes will glow in the presence of such radiation and as you say<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">RFI will prevail if you are careless, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Carbon arc furnaces are old technology.and not cheap to run unless you make your own electrodes.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I think its great that some of the group are thinking out side the box.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">GFWHELL<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>From: Arnt Karlsen <<a href="mailto:arnt@c2i.net"><a href="mailto:arnt@c2i.net">arnt@c2i.net</a></a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"><a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a></a><br>Sent: Tue, Jan 18, 2011 2:22 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Enventix: Syngas and Biochar from Waste<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_0_9f8c87eb-695a-4888-b433-d4ea22824f7b"><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:58:52 -0500, GF wrote in message <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><<a href="mailto:8CD84E3897DF9D0-474-1B599@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com"><a href="mailto:8CD84E3897DF9D0-474-1B599@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com">8CD84E3897DF9D0-474-1B599@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com</a></a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> Brian.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> I have brought this matter up on several occasions regarding<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> secondary exposure of thermal energy to the output gas. It seems to<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> me that raising the temperature within a reaction chamber in the<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> absence of oxygen and adding steam through a hollow carbon rod, <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">..sounds like a nice sophisticated, expensive way to make synthetic <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">gas out of that steamy carbon tube. ;o)<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> the tip of which is producing a plasma can only improve the quality<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> and quantity of usable gas, which will more than compensate for the<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> electrical energy used.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> There will be a considerable reduction in the flow of air for<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> pyrolysis. In fact commercial plasma reactors do not require any air<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> for combustion the oxygen is derived from steam. Use could be made of<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> the hot exhaust stream from an ICE to torrify the "FUEL" in order to<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> produce the required gas flow through such a reactor, thus claiming<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> much of the thermal energy being wasted. the final product would also<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> produce methanol not tar. I hope to obtain a high enough plasma<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> temperature with the use of micro wave excitation, 2.4 Ghz radiation<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> can travel through some types of refractory. this will cut costs<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> considerably.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">..you can contain that MW scale 2.4Ghz radiation so you don't<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">jam out mW scale 2.4Ghz WIFI, Bluetooth and cell phone etc<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">communications? (Would make a nice revenge for my first ISP <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">job though, we were WIFI-based and were jammed out of business <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">by Telenor's home WIFI routers.)<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">-- <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"> Scenarios always come in sets of three: <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"> best case, worst case, and just in case.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">Gasification mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org"><a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</a></a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org"><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a></a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/"><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</a></a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>Gasification mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org"><a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</a></a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org"><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a></a><br><br>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/"><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</a></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Gasification mailing list</span><br><span></span><br><span>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page</span><br><span><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:</span><br><span><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>