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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Well put, Doug</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">I would like to stick my oar into this ever
muddier pond. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Diesel, kerosene, gasoline, petrol, producer
gas, syngas, woodgas and a rose . </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>We know what these are, but, it seems, some who are not too familiar with
the words would do well to learn what each is rather than trying to change
something of which they have limited knowledge.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Get over it and deal with reality!
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">East is east and west is west. Producer gas is
well known by those of us who spend their lives smelling it. I've made syngas.
Like most things, it doesn't smell like producer gas. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Still not convinced? </DIV>
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<DIV>A rose, by any other name is still a rose! </DIV>
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<DIV>Respectfully, </DIV>
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<DIV>Bill Klein</DIV>
<DIV>3i </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Doug.Williams@orcon.net.nz
href="mailto:Doug.Williams@orcon.net.nz">doug.williams</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass
pyrolysis and gasification</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 28, 2011 6:37
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Gasification] Syngas, why
not just fix it?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><STRONG>Hi Pete and
Colleagues,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Seeing as you ask, this is what can be
offered:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>> This topic sure has taken up a lot of
time. </FONT></DIV>
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face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><STRONG>We can talk about multiple subjects at
the same time on this forum, and you select that which interests you the
most. However, there are not many who contribute enough to keep minds
interested in the mundane issues like correct use of
terminology.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>>Why not just fix it if y'all don't like it
the way it is?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><STRONG>This forum is an interest group and has
no mandate from any authorizing body to set standards or definitions. We are
also very International in our location, and therefore subject to working
within certain set standards, set by our administrations.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><BR>> Earlier I suggested that the analysis of this
mystery gas might fit <BR>> into some numbering system, as is done with
steel.</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>We make gas that already has set boundaries as to it's correct
identification, but to create a system based on numbers would require accurate
gas analysis for everyone involved. Many factors can affect the gas
volumes,etc, depending on the scales of gas production, and fuels used, plus
seasonal variations that play havoc with the same process. </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> It seems to me that this group is the right one to do
it.<BR>> One could at least deal with the top half dozen components,
couldn't one?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Well, we certainly have plenty of knowledge, but we see
only a fraction of those belonging to this Forum contributing informed
comment. <BR></STRONG>> <BR>> Again, back to the steel analogy--- we
don't have any problems talking <BR>> about A36, 1018, W1, etc..</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Having been defined by the steel industry, makes it easy for the
steel fabricators to use numbers. Shock horror if you aren't aware as an
amateur fabricator, and only think of iron,steel, tool steel, stainless steel,
so not everyone who talks about the subject, is on the same wave
length. Like any technology, you have to make the effort to learn about
the differences, then be more constructive in how you participate,
<BR></STRONG> <BR>> Maybe, a letter for the top component?<BR>>
Maybe a 2 tier system,; one for those gases with N2 and one for those <BR>>
without?</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>Producer gas, and Syngas identify these two gases, how
complicated is that to understand?<BR> <BR></STRONG>> Maybe someone
could at least tell me why this shouldn't be done now?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Quite simply, it has been done, but clearly some would
rather ignore correct definitions for reasoning of their own.
The market place remains very confused by how gasification is
presented, and the EU took the initiative in 2008-9, to set
guidelines that can be used by all involved, and be more informed with
gasification projects. It's was a huge job, involved many institutions, and
is only a beginning to bring some order into the implementation of
gasification. The work has to be seen as on-going, and maybe we can ask
Harrie Knoef of BTG to explain their progress, as I have current no on-line
reference.</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>Doug Williams,</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Fluidyne.</STRONG></DIV>
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