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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Hi, Kevin! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">I hope you are wintering well. Here, we could
use more snow and less cold.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">As for your questions about how I would define
the various gases you mentioned, I wouldn't. I leave that to those with
more spare time or with nothing better to do than engage in some sort of
mental masturbation. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>I build gasifiers. Our gasifiers successfully convert woody materials, MSW,
livestock manure, agricultural waste, EFB, coal, CCA, D&C, seed oil
processing waste and many more feedstocks and they do it well! and cleanly. I
would probably become insane if I had to give each gas a nane and, besides, our
customers care more about results than nomenclature. </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Our industry is deprived of its market share, perhaps because there are not
enough of us working to improve the process and the architecture. I don't know.
I do, however, know that I have to get back to work. </DIV>
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<DIV>Respectfully, </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Bill Klein</DIV>
<DIV>3i </DIV>
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<A title=kchisholm@ca.inter.net href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net">Kevin</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass
pyrolysis and gasification</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 29, 2011 11:47
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Gasification] Syngas, why
not just fix it?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Dear Bill</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>How would you define Wood Gas, and Producer
Gas?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>How would you define "Syngas"? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Is "Syn Gas the same as "Synthesis
Gas?"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>If there is a difference, could you please define
each term, to eliminate confusion?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thank you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Kevin Chisholm</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Bill_Klein@3iAlternativePower.com
href="mailto:Bill_Klein@3iAlternativePower.com">Bill Klein</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=Doug.Williams@orcon.net.nz
href="mailto:Doug.Williams@orcon.net.nz">doug.williams</A> ; <A
title=gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass
pyrolysis and gasification</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 28, 2011 8:48
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Gasification] Syngas, why
not just fix it?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Well put, Doug</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">I would like to stick my oar into this
ever muddier pond. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Diesel, kerosene, gasoline, petrol,
producer gas, syngas, woodgas and a rose . </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>We know what these are, but, it seems, some who are not too familiar
with the words would do well to learn what each is rather than trying to
change something of which they have limited knowledge.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Get over it and deal with reality!
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">East is east and west is west. Producer
gas is well known by those of us who spend their lives smelling it. I've
made syngas. Like most things, it doesn't smell like producer gas.
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Still not convinced? </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>A rose, by any other name is still a rose! </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Respectfully, </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Bill Klein</DIV>
<DIV>3i </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Doug.Williams@orcon.net.nz
href="mailto:Doug.Williams@orcon.net.nz">doug.williams</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass
pyrolysis and gasification</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 28, 2011 6:37
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Gasification] Syngas,
why not just fix it?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><STRONG>Hi Pete and
Colleagues,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Seeing as you ask, this is what can
be offered:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>> This topic sure has taken up a lot of
time. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><STRONG>We can talk about multiple subjects
at the same time on this forum, and you select that which interests
you the most. However, there are not many who contribute enough to keep
minds interested in the mundane issues like correct use of
terminology.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>>Why not just fix it if y'all don't like
it the way it is?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><STRONG>This forum is an interest group and
has no mandate from any authorizing body to set standards or definitions.
We are also very International in our location, and therefore subject to
working within certain set standards, set by our
administrations.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><BR>> Earlier I suggested that the analysis of this
mystery gas might fit <BR>> into some numbering system, as is done with
steel.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>We make gas that already has set boundaries as to it's
correct identification, but to create a system based on numbers would
require accurate gas analysis for everyone involved. Many factors can
affect the gas volumes,etc, depending on the scales of gas production, and
fuels used, plus seasonal variations that play havoc with the same
process. </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> It seems to me that this group is the right one to do
it.<BR>> One could at least deal with the top half dozen
components, couldn't one?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Well, we certainly have plenty of knowledge, but we see
only a fraction of those belonging to this Forum contributing informed
comment. <BR></STRONG>> <BR>> Again, back to the steel analogy--- we
don't have any problems talking <BR>> about A36, 1018, W1, etc..</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Having been defined by the steel industry, makes it easy for
the steel fabricators to use numbers. Shock horror if you aren't aware as
an amateur fabricator, and only think of iron,steel, tool steel, stainless
steel, so not everyone who talks about the subject, is on the same
wave length. Like any technology, you have to make the effort to
learn about the differences, then be more constructive in how you
participate, <BR></STRONG> <BR>> Maybe, a letter for the top
component?<BR>> Maybe a 2 tier system,; one for those gases with N2 and
one for those <BR>> without?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Producer gas, and Syngas identify these two gases, how
complicated is that to understand?<BR> <BR></STRONG>> Maybe
someone could at least tell me why this shouldn't be done now?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Quite simply, it has been done, but clearly some would
rather ignore correct definitions for reasoning of their
own. The market place remains very confused by how gasification is
presented, and the EU took the initiative in 2008-9, to set
guidelines that can be used by all involved, and be more informed
with gasification projects. It's was a huge job, involved many
institutions, and is only a beginning to bring some order into the
implementation of gasification. The work has to be seen as
on-going, and maybe we can ask Harrie Knoef of BTG to explain their
progress, as I have current no on-line reference.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Doug Williams,</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Fluidyne.</STRONG></DIV>
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