<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Dear Toby and all</div><div><br></div><div>Toby's last statement</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><blockquote type="cite"><div><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit; "><div>Does the first step make producer gas or syngas?  Apparently the technical review didn't know the difference or was asked to overlook it and it makes about a 10x difference. </div></td></tr></tbody></table></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Was my firm belief until two years ago.  Now many people are making both FT diesel and methanol from 50% N2 producer gas.  I believe the excess N2 buffers the reaction and protects the catalyst.</div><div><br></div><div>COMMENTS?</div><div><br></div><div>Tom Reed,</div><div><br></div><div>AKA</div></span><br>Dr Thomas B Reed<div>President, The Biomass Energy Foundation</div><div><a href="http://www.Woodgas.com">www.Woodgas.com</a></div></div><div><br>On Jan 29, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Toby Seiler <<a href="mailto:seilertechco@yahoo.com">seilertechco@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><div>Jim,  </div>
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<div>I think GF has a point about how politics work with financing.  The money chase by an inventor seems both predetermined and rigged, even more so where large sums of money are involved.  </div>
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<div>Re Range Fuels, a report says; "The first step converts the biomass to synthesis gas and the second step converts the gas to ethanol."</div>
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<div>Does the first step make producer gas or syngas?  Apparently the technical review didn't know the difference or was asked to overlook it and it makes about a 10x difference.  </div>
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<div>Good day,</div>
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<div>Toby <span>Seiler</span> </div>
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<div>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:12:24 -0500<br>From: GF <<a href="http://us.mc1136.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gfwhell@aol.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:gfwhell@aol.com"><a href="mailto:gfwhell@aol.com">gfwhell@aol.com</a></a>><br>To: <a href="http://us.mc1136.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"><a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a></a><br>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Range Fuels Closing Plant<br>Message-ID: <<a href="http://us.mc1136.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=8CD8BD663D29318-183C-2DFC@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:8CD8BD663D29318-183C-2DFC@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com"><a href="mailto:8CD8BD663D29318-183C-2DFC@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com">8CD8BD663D29318-183C-2DFC@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com</a></a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br><br>Jim, <br>I cannot offer "proof"  of the truth of my statement, If I could, I would not. because I really don't care. I could
 write a book on the subject to show people how they are being manipulated and "shaken down" by a well organized creed who has taken over the western world.<br>No doubt with the passing of time you might see it. The worst is yet to come. The sad thing is we fully deserve it.<br>GF<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Jim Leach <<a href="http://us.mc1136.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jleach@danatech.net" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:jleach@danatech.net"><a href="mailto:jleach@danatech.net">jleach@danatech.net</a></a>><br>To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <<a href="http://us.mc1136.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"><a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a></a>>; <a href="http://us.mc1136.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark@ludlow.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:mark@ludlow.com"><a href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">mark@ludlow.com</a></a><br>Sent:
 Wed, Jan 26, 2011 12:18 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Range Fuels Closing Plant<br><br><br>That is a pretty nasty and bold claim, do you have any facts to back that up?<br><br>JAMES T. LEACH, P.E.<br>President<br><br>DANA TECHNOLOGIES, INC.<br>32242 Paseo Adelanto, Suite D<br>San Juan Capistrano, CA 92675<br>Ph <span class="skype_pnh_print_container">949-496-6516</span><strong><font color="#49535a"><font face=""><span dir="ltr" class="skype_pnh_container"><span class="skype_pnh_mark"> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting</span> <span dir="ltr" class="skype_pnh_highlighting_inactive_common" title="Call this phone number in United States of America with Skype: +19494966516"><span class="skype_pnh_left_span" skypeaction="skype_dropdown">  </span><span class="skype_pnh_dropart_span" title="Skype actions" skypeaction="skype_dropdown"><span style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: -4499px 1px" class="skype_pnh_dropart_flag_span" skypeaction="skype_dropdown">      </span>   </span><span class="skype_pnh_textarea_span"><span class="skype_pnh_text_span">  949-496-6516</span></span><span class="skype_pnh_right_span">     </span></span> <span class="skype_pnh_mark">end_of_the_skype_highlighting</span></span><br></font></font></strong>Fx 949-496-8133<br>Mobile <span class="skype_pnh_print_container">949-933-6518</span><strong><font color="#49535a"><font face=""><span dir="ltr" class="skype_pnh_container"><span class="skype_pnh_mark"> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting</span> <span dir="ltr" class="skype_pnh_highlighting_inactive_common" title="Call this phone number in United States of America with Skype: +19499336518"><span class="skype_pnh_left_span" skypeaction="skype_dropdown">  </span><span class="skype_pnh_dropart_span" title="Skype actions" skypeaction="skype_dropdown"><span style="BACKGROUND-POSITION:
 -4499px 1px" class="skype_pnh_dropart_flag_span" skypeaction="skype_dropdown">      </span>   </span><span class="skype_pnh_textarea_span"><span class="skype_pnh_text_span">  949-933-6518</span></span><span class="skype_pnh_right_span">     </span></span> <span class="skype_pnh_mark">end_of_the_skype_highlighting</span></span><br><br><br><br></font></font></strong>From: <a href="http://us.mc1136.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"><a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a></a> [mailto:<a href="http://us.mc1136.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"><a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a></a>] On Behalf Of GF<br>Sent:
 Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:41 AM<br>To: <a href="http://us.mc1136.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark@ludlow.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:mark@ludlow.com"><a href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">mark@ludlow.com</a></a>; <a href="http://us.mc1136.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"><a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a></a><br>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Range Fuels Closing Plant<br><br><br><br>                               Government Grants and Ethanol.<br><br><br>I think we all agree on: THE GREAT ETHANOL SWINDLE.<br>This is where our tax dollars are diverted into non economic production <br>of a fuel additive which supposedly saves us from climate change.<br>The primary players in this scam have made sure their methods together with the cash cow they have created ?REMAINS
 INTACT?<br>The last thing they desire is a new and more efficient system to be discovered or adopted.<br>So how do they protect their interests?<br>Quite simply, take control of any new committees  responsible for the selection of grants which might produce an alternative to their scam.<br>How could such a wasteful and useless system be chosen for Federal Investment unless the people on the committee had an agenda which also included the grant seekers.<br>The naivety of those who believe that poor judgment on the part of the perpetrators is the primary cause of such ?losses? should have their voting rights revoked.<br>There are no accidents or poor judgment in politics. That is the excuse generated by a stupid and trusting electorate.<br>It will not matter how merit worthy your claim is for grant money, it will not be considered worthy if it challenges an established ?funded? system. <br>It might be chosen if it has ?floors?, in which case, be
 prepared to share it with at least one member of the committee.<br><br>GF<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Mark Ludlow <<a href="http://us.mc1136.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark@ludlow.com" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:mark@ludlow.com"><a href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">mark@ludlow.com</a></a>><br>To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <<a href="http://us.mc1136.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org" saprocessedanchor="true" ymailto="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"><a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a></a>><br>Sent: Tue, Jan 25, 2011 11:20 am<br>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Range Fuels Closing Plant<br><br><br><br>Tom writes: Wonder why anyone stays in this field?<br><br>Reply: It pays well.<br><br><br><br><br></div></td></tr></tbody></table><br>







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