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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hey
Luke!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Where
do you live? I have a house in Astoria and lived there from 1997 on, more or
less (I am in a "less" phase right now, living in Olympia). I've
worked on lots of old houses, Many had brass gas plumbing. There was a water
gas plant along the main drag and later, alongside Young's Bay as I remember being
told about. I am not sure when it shut down but probably after electrification
and certainly before a natural gas pipeline was put in place.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mark
Ludlow<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org
[mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Luke
Gardner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] DIY GtL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>GF,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>thanks
for the clarification, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>this
below is a little tangential to the current discussion, but still food for
thought</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>when
I was sixteen or so I worked for a local contractor, one job I had that
summer was part of a demo crew that worked on a restoration project at a place
called "the mansion". This place was owned originally by
one of the first salmon cannery owners on the Columbia river here on the west coast.
It was built in the mid/late 1800's. 11' ceilings, 12 large bedrooms,
huge living and dinning rooms , half a dozen bath rooms, godly ornate
trim everywhere, the place inside was in superb condition, out side was a
little weathered. Anyway, our particular tasks were as follows,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>1
To remove the cast iron stand up radiant water heaters located throughout the
place, about 30 total ranging in sizes</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>2
remove this huge (about 6' cubed) cast iron water jacketed wood/coal stove
located in an attached wing off the back. and remove this very odd metal box
located outdoors, but under a large overhang of the attached mechanical wing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>3.
remove all of these sconce like lamps used for lighting throughout the place.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The
place had been vacant for decades, ownership had fallen to estranged heir's of
previous fortunes in the forty's, and was then again inherited in the eighty's
within a family of residence somewhere back east they had sold it to the guy
who was restoring it. it was truly a glimpse into the past. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Me
being of curious nature asked around how did these lamps work?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>no
one knew... until I asked this local old duffer running a concrete crew,
he explained that they were gas lamps, when I inquired where they got the
"gas" he pointed to the odd box that we were removing, he answered
"from that hydrogen generator" At which point my boss
started chewing ass about my lack of work being accomplished.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>20+
years later my memory is washed clean of any of the particulars of the plumbing
and whatnot, and I find myself building a gasifier for grid tied power
production, with ambitions of waste heat capture for home heating, and fancy
the idea of capture and storage for cooking, lighting, and even small scale GTL
for personal use.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
wonder, no electrical pumps, no pressure sensors, no solenoid valves,
what do you think they did for production, capture and storage?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Luke
Gardner</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:gfwhell@aol.com"
title="gfwhell@aol.com">GF</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com" title="mark@ludlow.com">mark@ludlow.com</a> ; <a
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
title="gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, February
01, 2011 9:05 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Gasification]
DIY GtL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>I have attempted to describe a double barreled gas pump consisting
of two plastic drums. The principle of operation, is that "WATER" is
used as the "PISTONS"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>If one drum is full of water and a pump is started in order to
empty the drum it will create a vacuum, unless a fluid is admitted to fill
the void.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>In this case that fluid will be drawn from the out put of a
gasifier.which is sucked in, replacing the water which is being pumped
out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>The pump is transferring this water into drum
"B", which is, by its nature, a piston expelling what ever
fluid is within. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Once air has been expelled from drum "B", it is safe to
reverse the process,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>The return "stroke" will cause compression of the
entrained gas in drum"A" and will be drawing gas into drum
"B"from the gasifier.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>The desired pressure of the entrained gas can be adjusted by a
pressure switch stopping the pump(s)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>My underground system with its reinforced concrete casing
will withstand a reasonable pressure/vacuum.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Bearing in mind that a 10 inch vacuum is likely to
""collapse" an unsupported plastic drum.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>With the use of check valves, level switches and low tech
ancillaries it is possible to construct a safe gas compressing system. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>My reference to the water becoming flammable is an obvious
mal description, the water will take on some of the by products of the gas
being pumped which will include condensable volatiles such as methanol , ethanol
creosote and tars, the disposal of which should be pyrolisis. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>GF <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Mark Ludlow <mark@ludlow.com><br>
To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
<gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>
Sent: Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:28 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Gasification] DIY GtL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Usually the flammability of a liquid is measured by something
called "flash point", which is determined by the minimum temperature
any given liquid must be to sustain combustion at its surface, when in a
"closed cup". Water will never burn. Volatiles in the liquid will
burn, as in a dessert set aflame by a warmed liqueur.</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mark</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'> <a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"><u><span
style='color:blue'>gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></u></a>
[<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org?"><u><span
style='color:blue'>mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></u></a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Luke Gardner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 31, 2011 6:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] DIY GtL</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Gf, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>you mentioned ---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>This style of "GAS PUMP" could form the "suction
system" required for running the gas producer. No doubt the water will
become flammable over a period of time. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>the second barrel as you described is vented to the atmosphere I
assume <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>I'm curiose,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>how long does it take for the water to become flamable?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>is it's flamability more linked to time or more linked to cycles?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>how flamable can it become?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>does this ever pose a threat of igniting through the vent?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> Luke Gardner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'> Re: [Gasification] DIY GtL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>Compressing flammable gas obviously can be hazardous, however
those who are familiar with making the stuff will know the importance of the
exclusion of "air" from any such installation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>Natural gas distribution, arrives for domestic use here, at about
45 psi.from the city main.and is regulated down to around 11" wg. for
burner use. This stuff is fairly nitrogen free being mostly methane and has a
higher cal value than the wood gas which is being debated.
So 100 mm WG sounds a trifle low <br>
for burner operation unless large pipes and burner jets are contemplated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>This can be safely achieved with the use of two (or more) 45
gallon plastic drums planted under ground for convenience, fitted with the
required plumbing and a water pump system with pressure switch controls.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>The idea is that one barrel is filled with water and is
ready to "suck" gas, the water pump transfers the water into the
other barrel drawing gas into the void being created as the water level
drops..When the water entering the second drum has expelled all of
the contained air in the second drum. This oscillating pumping system can
begin.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>With the use of good quality check valves, sealed float switches
and the use of "two pumps" (the requirement for solenoid valves
can be alleviated) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>This style of "GAS PUMP" could form the "suction
system" required for running the gas producer. No doubt the water will
become flammable over a period of time. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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From: Craig Kernan <<a href="mailto:craig@postcollapse.org"><u><span
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To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <<a
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Subject: Re: [Gasification] DIY GtL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>I would also like
information <br>
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Craig <br>
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On 1/31/2011 1:44 AM, Li CHEN wrote: <br>
> Hi Rolf, <br>
> <br>
> In China, there are hundreds of villages using fuel gas >
station...(gasifier --> producer gas --> pipe line --> end
user). <br>
> <br>
> I find some chinese documents about using pipeline to provide producer
> gas. <br>
> <br>
> About pipeline part:, it uses: <br>
> <br>
> From gas tank to end user, outside underground pipeline: high-density >
polyehytlene (designed life: 50 years). <br>
> <br>
> Inside or outside ground pipeline: steel pipe. <br>
> <br>
> Pressure before end user gas burner: 100mm H2O. <br>
> <br>
> I will send you offlist some figures about the gas storage tank
figure. <br>
> <br>
> Li <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Le 30/01/2011 19:39, Rolf Uhle a écrit : <br>
>> Hallo Brian, Doug and list, <br>
>> <br>
>> this looks amazing ! The filtering seems to be very good. <br>
>> <br>
>> You and Doug seem to have experience with stocking producer gas. <br>
>> <br>
>> May I ask you some questions ? <br>
>> <br>
>> We have 5 separate houses/cabins on our land , all of them with solar
>> and <br>
>> individual wood and /or almond shell burning fireplaces . <br>
>> All of them are hidronic underfloor systems with hot sanitary water
>> tanks . <br>
>> <br>
>> The distances between these houses make a central water heat >>
distribution <br>
>> system rather inviable. <br>
>> <br>
>> We are off grid and run electricitywise on solar, wind and micro
hydro. <br>
>> There is a backup generator slow speed diesel running on WVO. <br>
>> <br>
>> My idea is to connect all houses to a single gassifier of around 40
>> -50 kW gas <br>
>> output and store a few hours gas in a gasometer and have the gassy
>> start and <br>
>> stop and run at close to full output as the gasometer level demands
>> so as to <br>
>> give it " an easy life " tarwise. <br>
>> <br>
>> The clean and cool gas could run through ordinary PE pipes to the
>> individual <br>
>> houses where it should burn in gas furnaces. <br>
>> <br>
>> A part of it could run the Listeroid genset which already works in
>> chp mode. <br>
>> <br>
>> I remember systems like this being built in Switzerland until 30-40
>> years ago <br>
>> for large kitchens and heating boilers in hotels and other remote
>> buildings <br>
>> in the mountains. The manufacturer was located in Horgen on Lake
Zurich. <br>
>> I would have to dive very deep into my old records to find
him... <br>
>> <br>
>> I attended the Germany GEK workshop with Jim last year, but he seems
>> to busy <br>
>> to have time to spare for me. It is a pity. <br>
>> <br>
>> Questions: <br>
>> <br>
>> Do you have a gassifier of that range 40 - 50 kW gas, not engine kW
? <br>
>> <br>
>> Do you think that after scrubbing the gas could be "compressed
" >> slightly to <br>
>> 300-400 mb and stored in a gasometer ? <br>
>> <br>
>> Has anybody sent producer gas through PE pipes over 150 m ? <br>
>> <br>
>> Where do you expect the real difficulties ? <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Looking foreward to your answer. <br>
>> <br>
>> Rolf <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Am Sonntag, 30. Januar 2011 18:06:37 schrieb Brian D Paasch: <br>
>>> On Jan 29, 2011, at 8:10 PM, doug.williams wrote: <br>
>>>> To finger the problem of using industrial scale producer gas,
is that <br>
>>>> most large systems are not tar free, and if you need to
compress >>>> the gas, <br>
>>>> technical challenges come thick and fast. <br>
>>> Doug, <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Oh goodness yes! We've not been willing to TOUCH the compression
>>> challenges <br>
>>> until we got our gas pretty darn clean. I'm cautiously optimistic
with <br>
>>> where we are at on that task: <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNypVoZg3VA"
target="_blank"><u><span style='color:blue'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNypVoZg3VA</span></u></a> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> And right now we're planning on three separate compression steps
with <br>
>>> additional filters between each step. <br>
>>> <br>
>>> And thanks for the pointer to your archives, I will certainly
browse! <br>
>>> <br>
>>> -brian <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> --------------------------------------- <br>
>>> Indiana Renewables, LLC <br>
>>> 6600 Karyn Drive <br>
>>> Avon, Indiana 46123 <br>
>>> ph: 317-272-7939 <br>
>>> fax: 317-536-5326 <br>
>> <br>
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