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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mark,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I live in Naselle</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Originally all the action was on the Washington
side as this was the natual river channel and thus the shipping lane,, most of
the pionieering canneries set up shop on the north side of the river,
Knapton, on the Washington side was much larger than Astoria, way back
untill one night the whole warf face, dock, mill, cannery, and surrounding town
went up in a fire that developed into a town engulfing
firestorm. there was only ten miles of rail to be laid along the
Columbia to connect the coastal (washington) circuts to the I-5 corridor's
tracks when knapton burned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Going into winter, residents scattered seeking
refuge in nearby towns, the following summer Astoria was linked to the I
-5 Corirdor by rail. the Oregonians had won the race, of linking land to
sea, and all the busness developed in Astoria,, Knapton was never rebuilt.
The army core of Engineers spend Milliions continually dredging the unnatural
shipping channel that is now cut over to the south side of the Columbia just
above and below Astoria as a result of this rail link.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The place I worked on as a kid was in Megler, just
a few miles west of Knapton Cove.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This region was always behind on utility services,
thus the need for self reliance stuck arround allot longer than in many
places, leaving relics of the past in tack and less fosilized than other
places.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would like to know what they did then at the
place in megler, It obviously worked for a few generations. completely
self contained.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Luke</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mark@ludlow.com href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">Mark Ludlow</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass
pyrolysis and gasification'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:09
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Gasification] DIY GtL</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Hey
Luke!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Where do you live?
I have a house in Astoria and lived there from 1997 on, more or less (I am in
a "less" phase right now, living in Olympia). I've worked on lots of old
houses, Many had brass gas plumbing. There was a water gas plant along the
main drag and later, alongside Young's Bay as I remember being told about. I
am not sure when it shut down but probably after electrification and certainly
before a natural gas pipeline was put in place.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Mark
Ludlow<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org
[mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Luke Gardner<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:56
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
gasification<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Gasification] DIY
GtL<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">GF,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">thanks for the
clarification, </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">this below is a
little tangential to the current discussion, but still food for
thought</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">when I was sixteen
or so I worked for a local contractor, one job I had that summer was part
of a demo crew that worked on a restoration project at a place called "the
mansion". This place was owned originally by one of the first
salmon cannery owners on the Columbia river here on the west coast. It
was built in the mid/late 1800's. 11' ceilings, 12 large bedrooms, huge
living and dinning rooms , half a dozen bath rooms, godly ornate trim
everywhere, the place inside was in superb condition, out side was a
little weathered. Anyway, our particular tasks were as
follows,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">1 To remove
the cast iron stand up radiant water heaters located throughout the place,
about 30 total ranging in sizes</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">2 remove this
huge (about 6' cubed) cast iron water jacketed wood/coal stove located in an
attached wing off the back. and remove this very odd metal box located
outdoors, but under a large overhang of the attached mechanical
wing.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">3. remove all of
these sconce like lamps used for lighting throughout the
place.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The place had been
vacant for decades, ownership had fallen to estranged heir's of previous
fortunes in the forty's, and was then again inherited in the eighty's within a
family of residence somewhere back east they had sold it to the guy who was
restoring it. it was truly a glimpse into the past.
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Me being of curious
nature asked around how did these lamps work?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">no one
knew... until I asked this local old duffer running a concrete crew, he
explained that they were gas lamps, when I inquired where they got the "gas"
he pointed to the odd box that we were removing, he answered "from that
hydrogen generator" At which point my boss started chewing ass
about my lack of work being accomplished.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">20+ years later my
memory is washed clean of any of the particulars of the plumbing and whatnot,
and I find myself building a gasifier for grid tied power production, with
ambitions of waste heat capture for home heating, and fancy the idea of
capture and storage for cooking, lighting, and even small scale GTL for
personal use.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I wonder, no
electrical pumps, no pressure sensors, no solenoid valves, what do you
think they did for production, capture and
storage?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Luke
Gardner</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">----- Original
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=gfwhell@aol.com href="mailto:gfwhell@aol.com">GF</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=mark@ludlow.com href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">mark@ludlow.com</A> ; <A
title=gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Tuesday,
February 01, 2011 9:05 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re:
[Gasification] DIY GtL<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Mark,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
have attempted to describe a double barreled gas pump consisting of two
plastic drums. The principle of operation, is that "WATER" is used as the
"PISTONS"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">If
one drum is full of water and a pump is started in order to empty the drum
it will create a vacuum, unless a fluid is admitted to fill the
void.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">In
this case that fluid will be drawn from the out put of a gasifier.which is
sucked in, replacing the water which is being pumped
out.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The
pump is transferring this water into drum "B", which is, by
its nature, a piston expelling what ever fluid is within.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Once
air has been expelled from drum "B", it is safe to reverse the
process,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The
return "stroke" will cause compression of the entrained gas in
drum"A" and will be drawing gas into drum "B"from the
gasifier.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The
desired pressure of the entrained gas can be adjusted by a pressure switch
stopping the pump(s)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">My
underground system with its reinforced concrete casing will withstand
a reasonable pressure/vacuum.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Bearing
in mind that a 10 inch vacuum is likely to ""collapse" an
unsupported plastic drum.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">With
the use of check valves, level switches and low tech ancillaries it is
possible to construct a safe gas compressing
system. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">My
reference to the water becoming flammable is an obvious mal
description, the water will take on some of the by products of the gas
being pumped which will include condensable volatiles such as methanol ,
ethanol creosote and tars, the disposal of which should be
pyrolisis. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">GF
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Mark Ludlow <mark@ludlow.com><BR>To: 'Discussion
of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
<gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><BR>Sent: Mon, Jan 31, 2011
9:28 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [Gasification] DIY GtL<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Usually
the flammability of a liquid is measured by something called "flash point",
which is determined by the minimum temperature any given liquid must be to
sustain combustion at its surface, when in a "closed cup". Water will never
burn. Volatiles in the liquid will burn, as in a dessert set aflame by a
warmed liqueur.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Mark</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Luke Gardner<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 31, 2011
6:17 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
gasification<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Gasification] DIY GtL</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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mentioned ---<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">This
style of "GAS PUMP" could form the "suction system" required for running the
gas producer. No doubt the water will become flammable over a period of
time. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">the
second barrel as you described is vented to the atmosphere I assume
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I'm
curiose,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">how
long does it take for the water to become
flamable?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">is
it's flamability more linked to time or more linked to
cycles?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">how
flamable can it become?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">does
this ever pose a threat of igniting through the
vent?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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Re: [Gasification] DIY GtL<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Compressing
flammable gas obviously can be hazardous, however those who are familiar
with making the stuff will know the importance of the exclusion of "air"
from any such installation.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Natural
gas distribution, arrives for domestic use here, at about 45 psi.from the
city main.and is regulated down to around 11" wg. for burner use. This
stuff is fairly nitrogen free being mostly methane and has a higher cal
value than the wood gas which is being debated. So
100 mm WG sounds a trifle low <BR> for burner operation
unless large pipes and burner jets are
contemplated.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">There
for compressing the gas is the answer.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">This
can be safely achieved with the use of two (or more) 45 gallon plastic
drums planted under ground for convenience, fitted with the required
plumbing and a water pump system with pressure
switch controls.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The
idea is that one barrel is filled with water and is ready to "suck"
gas, the water pump transfers the water into the other barrel
drawing gas into the void being created as the water level
drops..When the water entering the second drum has expelled all
of the contained air in the second drum. This oscillating pumping system
can begin.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">With
the use of good quality check valves, sealed float switches and the use of
"two pumps" (the requirement for solenoid valves can be alleviated)
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">This
style of "GAS PUMP" could form the "suction system" required for running
the gas producer. No doubt the water will become flammable over a
period of time. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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Message-----<BR>From: Craig Kernan <<A
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style="COLOR: blue">craig@postcollapse.org</SPAN></U></A>><BR>To:
Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <<A
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GtL<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">I
would also like information <BR> <BR>Craig <BR> <BR>On
1/31/2011 1:44 AM, Li CHEN wrote: <BR>> Hi
Rolf, <BR>> <BR>> In China, there are hundreds of villages
using fuel gas > station...(gasifier --> producer gas --> pipe
line --> end user). <BR>> <BR>> I find some chinese
documents about using pipeline to provide producer >
gas. <BR>> <BR>> About pipeline part:, it
uses: <BR>> <BR>> From gas tank to end user, outside
underground pipeline: high-density > polyehytlene (designed life: 50
years). <BR>> <BR>> Inside or outside ground pipeline:
steel pipe. <BR>> <BR>> Pressure before end user gas
burner: 100mm H2O. <BR>> <BR>> I will send you offlist
some figures about the gas storage tank
figure. <BR>> <BR>>
Li <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Le 30/01/2011 19:39, Rolf
Uhle a écrit : <BR>>> Hallo Brian, Doug and
list, <BR>>> <BR>>> this looks amazing ! The
filtering seems to be very good. <BR>>> <BR>>> You
and Doug seem to have experience with stocking producer
gas. <BR>>> <BR>>> May I ask you some questions
? <BR>>> <BR>>> We have 5 separate houses/cabins on
our land , all of them with solar >> and <BR>>>
individual wood and /or almond shell burning fireplaces
. <BR>>> All of them are hidronic underfloor systems with hot
sanitary water >> tanks . <BR>>> <BR>>> The
distances between these houses make a central water heat >>
distribution <BR>>> system rather
inviable. <BR>>> <BR>>> We are off grid and run
electricitywise on solar, wind and micro hydro. <BR>>> There is
a backup generator slow speed diesel running on
WVO. <BR>>> <BR>>> My idea is to connect all houses
to a single gassifier of around 40 >> -50 kW gas <BR>>>
output and store a few hours gas in a gasometer and have the gassy
>> start and <BR>>> stop and run at close to full output
as the gasometer level demands >> so as to <BR>>> give it
" an easy life " tarwise. <BR>>> <BR>>> The clean
and cool gas could run through ordinary PE pipes to the >>
individual <BR>>> houses where it should burn in gas
furnaces. <BR>>> <BR>>> A part of it could run the
Listeroid genset which already works in >> chp
mode. <BR>>> <BR>>> I remember systems like this
being built in Switzerland until 30-40 >> years
ago <BR>>> for large kitchens and heating boilers in hotels and
other remote >> buildings <BR>>> in the mountains. The
manufacturer was located in Horgen on Lake Zurich. <BR>>> I
would have to dive very deep into my old records to find
him... <BR>>> <BR>>> I attended the Germany GEK
workshop with Jim last year, but he seems >> to
busy <BR>>> to have time to spare for me. It is a
pity. <BR>>> <BR>>>
Questions: <BR>>> <BR>>> Do you have a gassifier of
that range 40 - 50 kW gas, not engine kW
? <BR>>> <BR>>> Do you think that after scrubbing
the gas could be "compressed " >> slightly to <BR>>>
300-400 mb and stored in a gasometer ? <BR>>> <BR>>>
Has anybody sent producer gas through PE pipes over 150 m
? <BR>>> <BR>>> Where do you expect the real
difficulties ? <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>>
Looking foreward to your answer. <BR>>> <BR>>>
Rolf <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>>
Am Sonntag, 30. Januar 2011 18:06:37 schrieb Brian D
Paasch: <BR>>>> On Jan 29, 2011, at 8:10 PM, doug.williams
wrote: <BR>>>>> To finger the problem of using industrial
scale producer gas, is that <BR>>>>> most large systems
are not tar free, and if you need to compress >>>> the
gas, <BR>>>>> technical challenges come thick and
fast. <BR>>>>
Doug, <BR>>>> <BR>>>> Oh goodness yes! We've
not been willing to TOUCH the compression >>>
challenges <BR>>>> until we got our gas pretty darn clean.
I'm cautiously optimistic with <BR>>>> where we are at on
that task: <BR>>>> <BR>>>> <A
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNypVoZg3VA" target=_blank><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNypVoZg3VA</SPAN></U></A> <BR>>>> <BR>>>>
And right now we're planning on three separate compression steps
with <BR>>>> additional filters between each
step. <BR>>>> <BR>>>> And thanks for the
pointer to your archives, I will certainly
browse! <BR>>>> <BR>>>>
-brian <BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>>
--------------------------------------- <BR>>>> Indiana
Renewables, LLC <BR>>>> 6600 Karyn
Drive <BR>>>> Avon, Indiana 46123 <BR>>>> ph:
317-272-7939 <BR>>>> fax:
317-536-5326 <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>>
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