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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Pete,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The current prototype will run a 4kw onan, if I get
2.5 kw out of it I will be happy. I have went to great measure to build in
such a way to retain and reuse otherwise "waste heat" and to facilitate complete
automation. The last thing I want is another labor or babysitting
job. I will be building My dream house in a few years and I plan on
full integration. I have oversized the reactor purpously so it can
generate gas for heat production (hydronic) and IC operation simultaniously as
need be.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>how deep the rabit hole goes as far as
cost? I expect at least 10 grand hard cost, said and
done. It just depends on how nice and trouble free a guy wants to make
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I currently burn about 7 chords of wood in an Iron
woodstove a year for heat, and spend about 2 grand a year for my
power. Its allot of work making 7 chords of firewood, at bare
minimum it gets handled 4 times to make it to the stove. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If I could heat my house buying cheap
wood chips and in the meanwhile offset my power bill, I would be thrilled.
meanwhile I would have liberated a bunch of time that I would rather spend
tinkering with systems than on the dull end of a chainsaw,axe and
weelborrow.</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This isn't for everyone, I have loads of time into
research, years, and have a full fledge fab shop at home, and have spent
decades contorting metal, the last block of it in this prototype pursuit.
Whats my time worth? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>At the current energy costs the endevor doesn't
make sense. Call it an Insurance policy and it makes sense. when is
PPP? where does the path lead after that? If I'm successful I wont care. I own
60 acres of wooded lowland.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>never try never do</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Luke</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=spaco@baldwin-telecom.net
href="mailto:spaco@baldwin-telecom.net">Pete&Sheri</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass
pyrolysis and gasification</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:24
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Gasification] Was: DIY GtL,
Now: the odd box and the house lighting</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>My guess is that it was not hydrogen, rather
acetylene.<BR><BR>Pete Stanaitis<BR>---------------------<BR><BR>Luke Gardner
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>---and remove this very odd metal box located
outdoors, but under a large overhang of the attached mechanical
wing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>3. remove all of these sconce like lamps used
for lighting throughout the place.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><snip> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Me being of curious nature asked around how did
these lamps work?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>no one knew... until I asked this local
old duffer running a concrete crew, he explained that they were gas lamps,
when I inquired where they got the "gas" he pointed to the odd box that we
were removing, he answered "from that hydrogen generator" At
which point my boss started chewing ass about my lack of work being
accomplished.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>20+ years later my memory is washed clean of
any of the particulars of the plumbing and whatnot, and I find myself
building a gasifier for grid tied power production, with ambitions of waste
heat capture for home heating, and fancy the idea of capture and storage for
cooking, lighting, and even small scale GTL for personal
use.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>How big is your intended grid tied power
producer going to be and how much do you think it will cost by the time you
have it tied to the grid?<BR>
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