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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>AD, Kevin, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bagasse typically runs between 45%-47% MC depending on the process in the sugar mills I have worked with. The moisture can be surprisingly uniform. 50% MC is easily burned in the boiler. As Kevin mentioned drying is an extra step that causes more cost and management problems than it is worth. Many bagasse dryers were installed in the 1980s. I think most have been abandoned. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We dried bagasse to 15% MC to feed a gasifier for producing a gas to burn in a gas turbine. It handles well but the end product has to be worth the effort. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tom Miles<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 21, 2011 5:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] ideal wood gas engine<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dear AD</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>One very simple explanation for not drying the bagasse partially is that they have a gross excess of it, and it is a disposal problem. Drying it would cost money, improve efficiency, and result in a bigger waste bagasse pile.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Best wishes,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Kevin</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:adkarve@gmail.com" title="adkarve@gmail.com">Anand Karve</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org" title="gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Monday, February 21, 2011 8:41 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Gasification] ideal wood gas engine<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear List,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The bagasse, which is burned in the furnace of a sugar factory contains about 50% moisture. Would anyone explain why they do not use dryer bagasse containing less moisture? Is it possible, that the water vapour in the bagasse reacts with the charred biomass to produce producer gas, thus adding to the fuel value of the biomass?<br>Yours<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A.D.Karve<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Henri Naths <<a href="mailto:c_hnaths@telusplanet.net">c_hnaths@telusplanet.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Dr A. D. Karve <br>Material handling is a definite factor with biomass with a moisture content of 50%. I posted the question in respect of those opinions given ( I don't have the band with to do the research right now myself) I do concur with your colleagues on their opinion the simplest is often the best. Thank you for the insight.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Henri Naths<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:31 AM, Anand Karve <<a href="mailto:adkarve@gmail.com" target="_blank">adkarve@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Naths,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am not an expert on engines of any kind. I was just quoting the opinions of somebody else. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yours<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>A.D.Karve<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Henri Naths <<a href="mailto:c_hnaths@telusplanet.net" target="_blank">c_hnaths@telusplanet.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear A D Karve<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I need 100 hp @ 1800 rpm how much biomass would a sterling burn up per hr?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Henri<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Gasification mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gasification mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br>***<br>Dr. A.D. 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