<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv=Content-Type>
<META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.19046"></HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks again GF:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><there is a formula for water horse power, all
to do with velocity and surface area .></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I learned of that formula in regards to
sailboats.Where it is right now ?? (probably lost in a recent hack job). You
wouldn't happen to have that formula somewhere by chance?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><Say pyrolysis of sea weed></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>H.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=gfwhell@aol.com href="mailto:gfwhell@aol.com">GF</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mark@ludlow.com
href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">mark@ludlow.com</A> ; <A
title=gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 30, 2011 2:17 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Gasification] OT, now, Boat
pulls easier than Cart?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT color=black size=2 face=arial>
<DIV>Mark ,</DIV>
<DIV>Yes the subject we are really discussing is the friction losses of water
in contact with a surface. there is a formula for water horse power, all to do
with velocity and surface area .</DIV>
<DIV>The theory that a large slow moving piston made of water, has less
friction loss of a metal piston sealed with rings. and it's ultimate
connection with the out side world is in question.</DIV>
<DIV>Or that a column of water being ejected from the rear end of a vessel has
an advantage over other propulsion sytems.when compared to more
sophisticated methods And is especially relevant if it can be obtained
with exploding Mond gas.</DIV>
<DIV>Say pyrolysis of sea weed.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>GF</DIV>
<DIV style="CLEAR: both"></DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Mark Ludlow <mark@ludlow.com><BR>To: 'Discussion
of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
<gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><BR>Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 2:29
pm<BR>Subject: Re: [Gasification] OT, now, Boat pulls easier than
Cart?<BR><BR>
<DIV id=AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39>
<STYLE>@font-face {
font-family: Calibri;
}
@font-face {
font-family: Tahoma;
}
@font-face {
font-family: Consolas;
}
@page WordSection1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in; }
#AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 TD {
COLOR: black
}
#AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 P.MsoNormal {
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt
}
#AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 LI.MsoNormal {
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt
}
#AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 DIV.MsoNormal {
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt
}
#AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 A:link {
COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99
}
#AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 SPAN.MsoHyperlink {
COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99
}
#AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 A:visited {
COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99
}
#AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {
COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99
}
#AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 PRE {
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-style-priority: 99; mso-style-link: "HTML Preformatted Char"
}
#AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 TT {
FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"; mso-style-priority: 99
}
#AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 SPAN.HTMLPreformattedChar {
FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; mso-style-priority: 99; mso-style-link: "HTML Preformatted"; mso-style-name: "HTML Preformatted Char"
}
#AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 SPAN.EmailStyle20 {
FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none; mso-style-type: personal-reply
}
#AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 .MsoChpDefault {
mso-style-type: export-only
}
#AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 .MsoPapDefault {
MARGIN-TOP: 4pt; mso-style-type: export-only
}
#AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 DIV.WordSection1 {
page: WordSection1
}
</STYLE>
<DIV class=WordSection1>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ">Geoff:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: "></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ">Flotsam moves with its
suspending medium with no cost. Ever rowed upstream? It’s grossly inefficient
and makes one wish that they were on a towpath. Work is defined in foot-pounds
of energy spent. Oh! If only every waterway ran downhill!</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: "></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ">The resistive forces of going
against a current (or merely moving forward in still water) are well
understood.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: "></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ">Just to be On Topic I’d like
to say: Pyrolysis and Gasification.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: "></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ">Best, Mark</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: "></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV
style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>
[<A
href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org?">mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>GF<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 29, 2011
22:11<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [Gasification] OT, now, Boat pulls easier than Cart?</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 4.0pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I will guess
humanity made boats before inventing the wheel</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 4.0pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">canals came
before railways 1 hp could move 100 tons mile after mile</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 4.0pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I was up on
Armory and discovered an ancient dried up canal associated with an
old copper mine.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 4.0pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">It was about 30
inches wide and about the same depth, it meandered around the side of a hill
to the edge of a cliff</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 4.0pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">and was at least
1/4 mile long and several hundred years old.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 4.0pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">An interesting
relic showing the importance of material movements using water as a means
of transport due to the lack of friction.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 4.0pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 4.0pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">GF </SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Anand Karve <<A
href="mailto:adkarve@gmail.com">adkarve@gmail.com</A>><BR>To: Discussion of
biomass pyrolysis and gasification <<A
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Mon, May 30, 2011 12:34 am<BR>Subject: Re: [Gasification] OT, now, Boat pulls
easier than Cart?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV id=AOLMsgPart_0_f2f9193b-522a-443c-85cf-c0b062f273ee><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Dear List,</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I am neither an engineer nor a physicist, but a biologist. I made the</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">observation that nature did not evolve wheeled locomotion because a</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">smooth road was a prerequisite for wheeled transport. Even humans,</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">who developed wheeled transport, use it only on roads or rails and not</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">elsewhere. .</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Yours</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">A.D.Karve</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Arnt Karlsen <<A href="mailto:arnt@c2i.net">arnt@c2i.net</A>> wrote:</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> On Sun, 29 May 2011 10:59:55 -0700, Henri wrote in message</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> <<A href="mailto:857E9F7D-AEB5-488F-8D4C-DC0B87A2D3A1@telusplanet.net">857E9F7D-AEB5-488F-8D4C-DC0B87A2D3A1@telusplanet.net</A>>:</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> ..well, this list speaks volumes for itself. ;oD</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">>> Never know a bird brain could evolve to that</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">>> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">>> Sent from my iPhone</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">>> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">>> On May 29, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Jeff Davis <<A href="mailto:jeff0124@velocity.net">jeff0124@velocity.net</A>> wrote:</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">>> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">_______________________________________________</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Gasification mailing list</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">to Send a Message to the list, use the email address</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><A href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</A></SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><A href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org" target=_blank>http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</A></SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black">for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><TT><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><A href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/" target=_blank>http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</A></SPAN></TT></PRE></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><!-- end of AOLMsgPart_2_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 -->
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 12px"
id=AOLMsgPart_3_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><TT>_______________________________________________
Gasification mailing list
to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
<A href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</A>
to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
<A href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org" target=_blank>http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</A>
for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:
<A href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/" target=_blank>http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</A>
</TT></PRE></DIV><!-- end of AOLMsgPart_3_971f2790-29e4-4cac-bb87-c62518506d39 --></DIV></FONT>
<P>
<HR>
<P></P>_______________________________________________<BR>Gasification mailing
list<BR><BR>to Send a Message to the list, use the email
address<BR>Gasification@bioenergylists.org<BR><BR>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change
your List Settings use the web
page<BR>http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org<BR><BR>for
more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web
site:<BR>http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/<BR><BR><BR><BR>__________
Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database
6166 (20110530) __________<BR><BR>The message was checked by ESET NOD32
Antivirus.<BR><BR>http://www.eset.com<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>