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<div><WBR>Regarding H2 as an accelarent. for the power stroke of an IC.</div>
<div>I have read that some research regarding the detonation of fuel air mixtures, using the addition of metal catalyst's permanently attached to the piston or cylinder walls, </div>
<div>This accomplished a high temperature reaction which provides "extra" hydrogen derived from steam. </div>
<div>This being a development originating from research carried out on WW 2 fighter aircraft engines, to obtain a power boost during combat operations, including the injection of a water/methanol mix during the required "boost" period.</div>
<div>It now seems that we are to have this mixture imposed by Government mandate without the "catalysts" to run our gasoline engines, Perhaps we should all use platinum tipped spark plugs to help with the reaction.</div>
<div>All thanks to the corn lobby.</div>
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From: Tom Miles <tmiles@trmiles.com><br>
To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>
Cc: 'Sridhar Gururaja Rao' <srigrao14@gmail.com>; gasification <gasification@bioenergylists.org><br>
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Subject: Re: [Gasification] Producer Gas Engine Paper<br>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Is part of the solution to make producer gas with more hydrogen in it?</SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal>The Octane of a fuel turns out to be 10x the compression ratio at which the engine will knock on a fuel in that engine. </div>
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<div class=MsoNormal>Typical gasoline engines today have a CR of 8.5 and won't knock on 85 octane gasoline, but will knock on 80 octane gasoline.</div>
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<div class=MsoNormal>Small planes typically demand high test gasoline 100 octane and have a CR of 10:1. </div>
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<div class=MsoNormal>It is important to use the highest CR that a fuel will support. Both power AND efficiency increase linearly with CR. I believe the octane of producer gas is over 150, and I have been urging all to raise the CR of engines running PG. </div>
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<div class=MsoNormal>My company, CPC, ran PG in an engine with CR 15 and got no knock and spectacular power and efficiency.</div>
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<div class=MsoNormal>It took five years to get them to do it.</div>
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<div style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" class=MsoNormal>G. Sridhar and Ravindra Babu Yarasu (2010). Facts about Producer Gas Engine , Paths to Sustainable Energy, Jatin Nathwani and Artie Ng (Ed.), ISBN: 978-953-307-401-6, InTech, Available from: <A href="http://www.intechopen.com/articles/show/title/facts-about-producer-gas-engine" target=_blank>http://www.intechopen.com/articles/show/title/facts-about-producer-gas-engine</A></div>
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