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I ran the numbers on using this cycle years ago, and it is about 50% efficient with a good fuel cell, and weighs 8 times less than a lead-acid battery. <div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Bob</div><div><br><div><div>On 12-Jul-11, at 5:51 PM, GF wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="black" size="2" face="arial"> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <div id="AOLMsgPart_1_ec7eb326-b5c9-4d13-8d49-1ff6abd4eb36"><font color="black" size="2" face="arial"> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <div id="AOLMsgPart_1_d8a7d03b-426b-4064-8f1f-7f57443426a4"><font color="black" size="2" face="arial"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font><br> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></font><o:p><font size="3"> </font></o:p></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">The other day I posted an article on this site concerning:</font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Cornish Hydrogen Generator. Keelynet, <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>which describes a method of converting</font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Aluminum into its oxide and in the process cracks water, freeing up hydrogen for use as fuel for a light car.</font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">By all accounts, using this gas in the place of any other fuel.</font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Distances and the amount of metal used in this attainment were mentioned.</font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">I was hoping for a reaction from one of the many “Energy Economists”</font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Who lurk on this site, to respond with negative information regarding the impracticality and waste fullness of such a process?</font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">I believe there is a large following on this site who are interested in obtaining electrical power using renewable energy, derived from carbon neutral sources.</font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">They might question the economics and ethics of using a refined ore as fuel.</font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">Instead of chopping down oxygen producing vegetation. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">In this respect I am a nonconformist. I believe most Aluminum is produced by Hydro electric power and, so the CO2 is not in the equation.</font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">My second comment is harnessing a “free” supply of high temperature heat which is emitted from most Ice’s in the form of “Hot Exhaust”.</font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">This is the place to install a reactor capable of converting beer cans into hydrogen as not too much energy would be needed to complete the reaction. Bubbling super heated steam through a molten bath of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:state w:st="on">AL</st1:state></st1:place> would give pure hydrogen.</font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">No tar, and the ash is a hot commodity</font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font size="3"> </font></o:p></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3">The real question is: how much energy is locked up in a pound of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:state w:st="on">AL</st1:state></st1:place></font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:state w:st="on"></st1:state></st1:place></font> </div> <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:state w:st="on">gfwhell</st1:state></st1:place></font></div> <br> <div style="CLEAR: both"></div> </font></div> <!-- end of AOLMsgPart_1_d8a7d03b-426b-4064-8f1f-7f57443426a4 --></div> </font></div> <!-- end of AOLMsgPart_1_ec7eb326-b5c9-4d13-8d49-1ff6abd4eb36 --></div> </font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Gasification mailing list</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to Send a Message to the list, use the email address</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">for more Gasifiers,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>News and Information see our web site:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org</a>/</div> </blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>