Dear TR<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Thomas Reed <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tombreed2010@gmail.com">tombreed2010@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Dear Anand<br>
<br>
Of course, CO2.<br>
<br>
I live in Massachusetts, a heavily forested state. There are lots of green leaves, but mostly up in the trees, so not available like Ag residues.<br>
<br>
In a few months they will fall. Will these leaves work?<br>
<br>
( I presume not, because the tree takes the nutrients underground before pushing off the husk.)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div> As such the dried leaves will not work as the biodegradability is very low .</div>
<div>Some pretreatments such as composting can make it work, the problem is all take too longer time in several week mainly due to the cellulose is crystaline structure , the lignin and hemicelllulose , making the enzymatic bioprocess , very slow , thus you concluded that it may not be practical</div>
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Tom Reed<br>
<br>
Dr Thomas B Reed<br>
President, The Biomass Energy Foundation<br>
<a href="http://www.Woodgas.com" target="_blank">www.Woodgas.com</a><br>
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</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Jul 19, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Anand Karve <<a href="mailto:adkarve@gmail.com">adkarve@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Dear Tom,<br>
> the right hand side of the equation should read CH4 +CO2. Secondly,<br>
> one can use green leaves as feedstock in a biogas plant.<br>
> They are always available in a tropical country like India, but may<br>
> not be available in winter in Ukraine. For use in winter, one grows<br>
> sugarbeet, which can be harvested in October and the harvested beet<br>
> can stay in the open throughout the winter. In Germany they use corn<br>
> as feedstock, but I feel that the advantage of sugarbeet lies in the<br>
> fact that its biomass contains less lignin than other crops.<br>
> Yours<br>
> A.D.Karve<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Thomas Reed <<a href="mailto:tombreed2010@gmail.com">tombreed2010@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Dear Phillip<br>
>><br>
>> The power generation sounds interesting.<br>
>><br>
>> What is the feed sock for the digester? Carbohydrates?<br>
>><br>
>> 2 CH2O ===> CH4 + H2O.<br>
>><br>
>> A dr, carve in India has built a small digestor that produces all the methane needed to cook the meals.<br>
>><br>
>> I suppose a larger digester could supply the electric power too.<br>
>><br>
>> Keep talking...<br>
>><br>
>> Tom Reed<br>
>><br>
>> Dr Thomas B Reed<br>
>> President, The Biomass Energy Foundation<br>
>> <a href="http://www.Woodgas.com" target="_blank">www.Woodgas.com</a><br>
>><br>
>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 12:03 PM, phillip manske <<a href="mailto:pdmanske@gmail.com">pdmanske@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Hi Tom,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Its good to hear from you. I taught ESL in Korea for six years and<br>
>>> instead of coming back to the US directly, I went to Kiev and stayed<br>
>>> in East Europe for year. I went to Moldova, Poland and Romania too.<br>
>>> I lived on the money I saved while in Korea and my Fed government<br>
>>> pension. I was poor there and I didn't do much but work on a website<br>
>>> that was inspired by my Fed time. I made a large Freedom of<br>
>>> Information Act program and I did most of the work in cafe's with free<br>
>>> WiFi.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Melitopol is in the Russian half of Ukraine, I generally like the<br>
>>> Ukies better than the Russians but I think the women are more<br>
>>> attractive. I've been to Melitopol twice already. No one visits<br>
>>> Melitopol, its kind of a hole. Anna is an ethnic Russian living in<br>
>>> Ukraine.<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="http://khersongirls.com" target="_blank">http://khersongirls.com</a> - that is the agency I recommend. Consider<br>
>>> all of the others as scams. I've met the owner and I've been to the<br>
>>> office many times.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> If you want to get involved with my "Gold" project you are welcome.<br>
>>> Its gonna take some money but not much. My investor advisor says to<br>
>>> make the lab reactor and then the GEK scale reactor. I think the lab<br>
>>> reactor will look like this...<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="http://www.chemglass.com/product_view.asp?pnr=CLS-1404" target="_blank">http://www.chemglass.com/product_view.asp?pnr=CLS-1404</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> I don't want to appear as a Johnny come lately into biofuels but it<br>
>>> kind of looks that way. I was an electrican in the navy a long time<br>
>>> ago and I said I'd return to power generation if the things were<br>
>>> right. The concept is complicated, the practice is easy. Once the<br>
>>> gens run, there is no work to do. You just need to check the engines<br>
>>> twice a day and that takes 20 minutes max each time. You really have<br>
>>> the whole day off for the next fifteen years if you get a contract.<br>
>>><br>
>>> That's whats up.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Phillip<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Thomas Reed <<a href="mailto:tombreed2010@gmail.com">tombreed2010@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> So, do you have an office in Melitopol? Looks like it's close to the black sea.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Tom<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Dr Thomas B Reed<br>
>>>> President, The Biomass Energy Foundation<br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.Woodgas.com" target="_blank">www.Woodgas.com</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Jul 18, 2011, at 10:25 PM, phillip manske <<a href="mailto:pdmanske@gmail.com">pdmanske@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Hi Dr. Reed,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Thanks for the concern. I had to pay bills for two months and then I<br>
>>>>> needed some cash so I can go marriage agency dates in Ukraine. I<br>
>>>>> lived in Ukraine for a year so I kinda know whats up. I found a woman<br>
>>>>> there that likes me. She looks like Meagan Fox but she has larger<br>
>>>>> breasts. She sells cosmetics and lives in Melitopol. I work next to<br>
>>>>> a corporate lake and the lake is feed by storm run off. The lake has<br>
>>>>> some good wildlife and I have taken to turtle rescue when the chelons<br>
>>>>> get stuck in the drainage pipes. I got ten already. I have a snapper<br>
>>>>> hatchling and hand sized softshell on a shelf by my desk.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> That's pretty cool Phil but it has nothing to with biomass.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I don't talk about gasifiers here because I don't know Jack.<br>
>>>>> Sometimes you just need to shut up and listen.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Yea so I decided I should read about the matter.<br>
>>>>> This book is great.<br>
>>>>> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Transportation-Biofuels-Production-Biodiesel-Chemistry/dp/1849730431" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Transportation-Biofuels-Production-Biodiesel-Chemistry/dp/1849730431</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I got an eCopy if you want to see the relevant material. The methane<br>
>>>>> part looks way doable and in fact I'm slowly working on that. I found<br>
>>>>> <a href="http://sciencedirect.com" target="_blank">sciencedirect.com</a> which has a great index and all of the papers on the<br>
>>>>> matter are availalbe for free at the uni library but I don't have my<br>
>>>>> Indiana drives lic/ID yet so its another two weeks. The papers come<br>
>>>>> to $4500 if I have to pay.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I wrote an executive summary for someone at GoBig and I after I sent<br>
>>>>> that off they asked for an executive summary and asked a few other<br>
>>>>> questions. I made a good post at GEK and I got ass kissy with Mr.<br>
>>>>> Mason trying to amend my earlier offences.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Whats up with you Tom?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Warmest Regards<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Phillip<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Phillip Manske<br>
>>>>> 195 w Puetz Rd h-114<br>
>>>>> Oak Creek WI, 53154<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:pmanske@afuels.net">pmanske@afuels.net</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Alchemy Fuels Executive Summary<br>
>>>>> Saturday, July 16, 2011<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The Energy Policy Act of 2005 has mandated that investor owned<br>
>>>>> utilities must provide a certain amount of the energy they provide<br>
>>>>> must be sourced from renewable sources. This amount has been<br>
>>>>> regulated to grow both now and in the future. To date, wind and solar<br>
>>>>> sources have been providing most of this energy while biomass sourced<br>
>>>>> energy has lagged. Utilities have been rejecting new applications for<br>
>>>>> wind and solar energies while courting biomass providers as many slots<br>
>>>>> are still open. Alchemy has determined a course to make low cost<br>
>>>>> biofuel to fulfill these requirements is a realistic and profitable<br>
>>>>> goal.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> After reviewing scientific literature on the matter I, (working as<br>
>>>>> Alchemy Fuels) have decided that a two stage reactor designed to make<br>
>>>>> methane is the most efficient route to a biofuel called “biogas”.<br>
>>>>> This method was developed early in the biofuels research efforts and<br>
>>>>> then abandoned in favor of ethanol and other more lucrative<br>
>>>>> transportation fuels. Methane is a well founded and well functioning<br>
>>>>> fuel for generators designed to work with natural gas. This process<br>
>>>>> is well reviewed and appreciated by the scientific community for its<br>
>>>>> ease use and lack of exotic requirements. It can be described as a<br>
>>>>> methane digester without the required tons of manure feedstock. The<br>
>>>>> research was pioneered by a scientist named Gaddy who founded a<br>
>>>>> company called BRI. The process is referred as the microbial catalyst<br>
>>>>> cellulosic fuel pathway.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The process uses the output from gasifiers that use wood mass as a<br>
>>>>> feedstock. A handful of gases are provided by the gasifier with the<br>
>>>>> most important being carbon monoxide and the lesser gases being<br>
>>>>> hydrogen, carbon dioxide and methane. All of the gasses are used in<br>
>>>>> the process. The first stage of the process uses a bacteria called p.<br>
>>>>> productus that uses the CO for growth and CO2 for the production of<br>
>>>>> acetate which is the feedstock for the second and final stage where a<br>
>>>>> bacteria called m. barkeri uses the acetate and hydrogen to make<br>
>>>>> methane. Methane, unlike ethanol , does not need distilling which<br>
>>>>> saves considerable effort, energy and money.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The market for the gas or gas use comes from the aforementioned lack<br>
>>>>> of biomass energy providers. Contract length is from 10 – 20 years,<br>
>>>>> amount of sale is typically 800 kilo watts per hour and the<br>
>>>>> compensation is from $.10 - $.15 per Kw hour. Providers are<br>
>>>>> typically allowed to provide 24 hours a day. Demand may vary but<br>
>>>>> demand is typically strong. Biogas contracts are generally designed<br>
>>>>> for methane digesters but this type of process meets the legal<br>
>>>>> definition of biogas even without the $1 million digester.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> This is a niche market but it can provide excellent returns and a<br>
>>>>> number of contracts can be signed simultaneously. Sales are assured,<br>
>>>>> no distribution network is required. Plants like this operate at a<br>
>>>>> technician level and not an engineer or scientist level. There are<br>
>>>>> few critical points that may induce failure. The required insurance<br>
>>>>> is difficult to get but I have found a provider and at least one work<br>
>>>>> around method.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Plants should be located near the biomass source to save money on<br>
>>>>> transportation and when the gas is made, it can be shipped at much<br>
>>>>> less expense to the generating facilities . The plants will be<br>
>>>>> filled with wood biomass, gasifiers and vats that look like<br>
>>>>> microbrewery vats.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Being averse to large expenditures, I recommend a modest approach to<br>
>>>>> first make a five gallon reactor using bottled gas, then a system<br>
>>>>> using a small gasifier and then finally a system scaled to produce<br>
>>>>> fuel at the rate to meet the 800 kwh limit.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The described process above is worth study and investment. The<br>
>>>>> science is sound, the investment and risk is small, operating overhead<br>
>>>>> is very low and sales are guaranteed. It appears margins should be<br>
>>>>> very wide unlike typical margins that are available to investors.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Questions may be directed to me at the email address above.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Regards<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Phillip Manske<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Thomas Reed <<a href="mailto:tombreed2010@gmail.com">tombreed2010@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> Phil<br>
>>>>>> I haven't heard your name for.a decade or so. What cooks in biomass?<br>
>>>>>> Tom Reed<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Dr Thomas B Reed<br>
>>>>>> President, The Biomass Energy Foundation<br>
>>>>>> <a href="http://www.Woodgas.com" target="_blank">www.Woodgas.com</a><br>
>>>>>> On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:04 PM,<br>
>>>>>> "<a href="mailto:pbadger@bioenergyupdate.com">pbadger@bioenergyupdate.com</a>"<<a href="mailto:pbadger@bioenergyupdate.com">pbadger@bioenergyupdate.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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