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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So
Philip, once you can grow trillions of Peptostreptococcus productus, where are
you? They take your useable CO and convert it into CO2 and acetate. Is this
what you're after?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>phillip
manske<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 21, 2011 11:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> david@h4c.org; Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] Continuing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi all, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Until I get my library card, I'm gonna be quiet.
That will be little more than a week.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have every intention of not digesting and every
intention of operating the reactors according to published papers.
Digestion is a sloppy process and digestate is very difficult to come
by and manage. I'm not interested in moving 10 tens of slop either in or
out every day. No, just no.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The gasifer provides reliably with no waste afterward, the
exact right bacteria will act in the exact right way. I'm not going to
make a reactor and then leave the top off for a week and hope the right
bacteria shows up.m That sounds counter productive.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>There are very explicit instructions on the matter and I
intend on following them. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Peptostreptococcus productus or bust.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Phillip<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:37 AM, David <<a
href="mailto:david@h4c.org">david@h4c.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Dr. Reed,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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On 7/20/2011 12:27 PM, Thomas Reed wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Dear Phil and all<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Phil seems concerned about getting the "right" bacteria. My impression is "if you vuildmit, they will come". <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Anaerobic life has proven ubiquitous, indeed, so wherever
conditions are right-- a biogas digester, a stagnant pond, one's own gut--
anaerobes indeed "show up". One may want to gather inoculates from
various sources-- cow manure, ground up termites-- and put those things in the
digester, but it is not certain that will assist in producing more biogas.
Regardless, given that the digester will be a very complex ecosystem exposed to
repeated inoculations with incoming material, there is little point in trying
to arrange things so that the "livestock" are restricted to a particular
set of chosen species. It might be done, but it would require sterilizing
incoming material, etc., and it's not clear all that can take place and still
have the system be net positive for energy, or indeed anything like as net
positive as a "fill and forget" system.<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.0pt'>David William House</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:9.5pt'>"The
Complete Biogas Handbook" </span><code><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://www.completebiogas.com/" target="_blank">www.completebiogas.com</a></span></code><span
style='font-size:9.5pt'><br>
<em>Vahid Biogas</em>, an alternative energy consultancy </span><code><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="http://www.vahidbiogas.com/" target="_blank">www.vahidbiogas.com</a></span></code><span
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<p class=MsoNormal>"Make no search for water. But
find thirst,<br>
And water from the very ground will burst." <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt'>(Rumi, a Persian mystic poet,
quoted in <em>Delight of Hearts</em>, p. 77) <br>
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<a href="http://bahai.us/" target="_blank">http://bahai.us/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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