Hi Philip mansk<div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">good experiments</span><div id=":2kj" dir="ltr" class="kl" style="margin-bottom: 4px; text-align: left; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
very good results</div><div id=":2kk" dir="ltr" class="kl" style="margin-bottom: 4px; text-align: left; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">very good start</div>
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the immobolised cells in the fiber can have more life time than pure submerged systems.</div><div id=":2kk" dir="ltr" class="kl" style="margin-bottom: 4px; text-align: left; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
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Pannirselvam</div><div id=":2kk" dir="ltr" class="kl" style="margin-bottom: 4px; text-align: left; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> </div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:11 PM, phillip manske <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pdmanske@gmail.com">pdmanske@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Hi Anand,<br>
<br>
My results and methods are crude but it looks like I'm on the right<br>
track. I like the syngas - methane route mentioned above but the<br>
process requires some sophisticated and expensive reactors. Its worth<br>
looking at manure to house all of it. There is not much in the<br>
literature that says man made reactors are more efficient for this<br>
process.<br>
<br>
I used 32 ounce bottles and filled to bottles with semi solid manure<br>
and I had to top off with tap water to make anoxic conditions. To that<br>
I added about one ounce of CO2 water, or acetate or a mixture of both.<br>
The mixture bottle did not do well on the first round and the acetate<br>
alone bottle became toxic and killed all of the methane producing<br>
bacteria. The papers say use much less. i used water with O2 in it,<br>
thus poisoning the reaction. Thats a good kind of mistake.<br>
<br>
If acetate is the precursor to methane then CO, taken from syngas, is<br>
the precursor to acetate and that test comes next or at least soon.<br>
It would be great progress if it worked.<br>
<br>
Phllip<br>
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Anand Karve <<a href="mailto:adkarve@gmail.com">adkarve@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Dear Philip,<br>
> vinegar (acetic acid) is precursor of methane. CH3COOH=CH4+CO2. So it<br>
> but natural that the mixture which contained vinegar produced more<br>
> biogas than the control.<br>
> Yours<br>
> A.D.Karve<br>
><br>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:47 AM, phillip manske <<a href="mailto:pdmanske@gmail.com">pdmanske@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> In an effort to construct the syngas - methanation route, I formed a<br>
>> thesis that manure, being as perfect as a methane microbe reactor can<br>
>> that nature can build , can be reanimated and managed to produce more<br>
>> biogas once the naturally occurring reactants are exhausted.<br>
>><br>
>> I put four bottles of manure in a thermophile water bath. One bottle<br>
>> was kept as a control and the had CO2 water, white vinegar and a<br>
>> mixture thereof. These configurations produced different results. The<br>
>> acetate sterilized the methanogens, the CO2 water addition produced<br>
>> feeble biogas and the mixture also produced less than the control<br>
>> bottle. The bottles were left for three weeks to ferment. After<br>
>> that, they were left at room temperature for a week and then reheated<br>
>> in the water bath. The mixture bottle produced vigorously, perhaps at<br>
>> several times the usual production rate. I can't if the gas is<br>
>> CO2, biogas or CH4 but if its biogas, the finding is significant.<br>
>><br>
>> P.<br>
>><br>
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