HI Philip<div><br></div><div> The low grade syngas can be used also in the methane raector <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Anand Karve <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adkarve@gmail.com">adkarve@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Dear Philip,<br>
glycerine can also be fermented into biogas. The process does not need<br>
yeast but methanogenic micro-organisms<br>
Yours<br>
A.D.Karve<br>
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On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:48 AM, phillip manske <<a href="mailto:pdmanske@gmail.com">pdmanske@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Pann introduced me to fermentation of biodiesel waste glycerol. He<br>
> says the process is easier that what I am proposing. The process uses<br>
> yeast. The stuff is real close to sugar and it looks like many<br>
> microbes would eat it. I'm worried about waste so I'll have to read<br>
> more.<br>
><br>
> P<br>
><br>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Pannirselvam P.V <<a href="mailto:pannirbr@gmail.com">pannirbr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Hi Philip mansk<br>
>> good experiments<br>
>> very good results<br>
>> very good start<br>
>> the immobolised cells in the fiber can have more life time than pure<br>
>> submerged systems.<br>
>> Biofilm reactor are good one , recirculating syngas and acids<br>
>> The next step can be to build bioreactor<br>
>> your truely<br>
>> Pannirselvam<br>
>><br>
>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:11 PM, phillip manske <<a href="mailto:pdmanske@gmail.com">pdmanske@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi Anand,<br>
>>><br>
>>> My results and methods are crude but it looks like I'm on the right<br>
>>> track. I like the syngas - methane route mentioned above but the<br>
>>> process requires some sophisticated and expensive reactors. Its worth<br>
>>> looking at manure to house all of it. There is not much in the<br>
>>> literature that says man made reactors are more efficient for this<br>
>>> process.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I used 32 ounce bottles and filled to bottles with semi solid manure<br>
>>> and I had to top off with tap water to make anoxic conditions. To that<br>
>>> I added about one ounce of CO2 water, or acetate or a mixture of both.<br>
>>> The mixture bottle did not do well on the first round and the acetate<br>
>>> alone bottle became toxic and killed all of the methane producing<br>
>>> bacteria. The papers say use much less. i used water with O2 in it,<br>
>>> thus poisoning the reaction. Thats a good kind of mistake.<br>
>>><br>
>>> If acetate is the precursor to methane then CO, taken from syngas, is<br>
>>> the precursor to acetate and that test comes next or at least soon.<br>
>>> It would be great progress if it worked.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Phllip<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Anand Karve <<a href="mailto:adkarve@gmail.com">adkarve@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> > Dear Philip,<br>
>>> > vinegar (acetic acid) is precursor of methane. CH3COOH=CH4+CO2. So it<br>
>>> > but natural that the mixture which contained vinegar produced more<br>
>>> > biogas than the control.<br>
>>> > Yours<br>
>>> > A.D.Karve<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:47 AM, phillip manske <<a href="mailto:pdmanske@gmail.com">pdmanske@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> > wrote:<br>
>>> >> In an effort to construct the syngas - methanation route, I formed a<br>
>>> >> thesis that manure, being as perfect as a methane microbe reactor can<br>
>>> >> that nature can build , can be reanimated and managed to produce more<br>
>>> >> biogas once the naturally occurring reactants are exhausted.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> I put four bottles of manure in a thermophile water bath. One bottle<br>
>>> >> was kept as a control and the had CO2 water, white vinegar and a<br>
>>> >> mixture thereof. These configurations produced different results. The<br>
>>> >> acetate sterilized the methanogens, the CO2 water addition produced<br>
>>> >> feeble biogas and the mixture also produced less than the control<br>
>>> >> bottle. The bottles were left for three weeks to ferment. After<br>
>>> >> that, they were left at room temperature for a week and then reheated<br>
>>> >> in the water bath. The mixture bottle produced vigorously, perhaps at<br>
>>> >> several times the usual production rate. I can't if the gas is<br>
>>> >> CO2, biogas or CH4 but if its biogas, the finding is significant.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> P.<br>
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