<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px"><br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Original message-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>From: </b>gasification-request@lists.bioenergylists.org<b><br>To: </b>gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org<b><br>Sent: </b>Wed, Dec 7, 2011 20:00:07 GMT+00:00<b><br>Subject: </b>Gasification Digest, Vol 16, Issue 3<br><br></div>Send Gasification mailing list submissions to<br> gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org<br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> gasification-request@lists.bioenergylists.org<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> gasification-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Gasification digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Fluidyne Update Photos. (Thomas Reed)<br> 2. Re: Fluidyne Update Photos. (Pete & Sheri)<br> 3. Re: Fluidyne Update Photos. (doug.williams)<br> 4. Re: Fluidyne Update Photos. (doug.williams)<br> 5. gasifier type updarft use rice husk (quoc cuong Pham)<br> 6. Re: Fluidyne Update Photos. (Alex English)<br> 7. Re: Fluidyne Update Photos. (Tom Miles)<br> 8. Re: Fluidyne Update Photos. (Tom)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:24:37 -0500<br>From: Thomas Reed <tombreed2010@gmail.com><br>To: "doug.williams" <Doug.Williams@orcon.net.nz>, Discussion of<br> biomasspyrolysis and gasification<br> <gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Fluidyne Update Photos.<br>Message-ID: <0185EDF2-A053-4004-A424-108D2C7759A3@gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Dear Doug<br><br>Your Fluidyne gasifier and Jim Masons GEK seem to be the best gasifiers around. Do you know of any others?<br><br>Tom Reed<br><br>Dr Thomas B Reed <br>The Biomass Energy Foundation<br><a href="www.Woodgas.com">www.Woodgas.com</a><br><br>On Dec 6, 2011, at 12:25 AM, "doug.williams" <Doug.Williams@orcon.net.nz> wrote:<br><br>> <br>> <br>> Hi Gasification Colleagues,<br>> <br>> The new photo file for the latest update on our Californian Development Project, is now available to see on the Fluidyne Archive <a href="www.fluidynenz.250x.com">www.fluidynenz.250x.com</a><br>> <br>> Hope you can all access the file, and please let me know if you have difficulty.<br>> Doug Williams,<br>> Fluidyne Gasification.<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Gasification mailing list<br>> <br>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br>> Gasification@bioenergylists.org<br>> <br>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br>> <a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>> <br>> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br>> <a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org</a>/<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20111206/ebd577cd/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20111206/ebd577cd/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:30:24 -0600<br>From: "Pete & Sheri" <spaco@baldwin-telecom.net><br>To: "'doug.williams'" <Doug.Williams@orcon.net.nz>, "'Discussion of<br> biomass pyrolysis and gasification'"<br> <gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Fluidyne Update Photos.<br>Message-ID: <000001ccb46f$07a00980$16e01c80$@net><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Wow! What a great report.<br><br> <br><br>You mentioned that some of the wood chips had lots of fines. Do you<br>preprocess them to eliminate those fines? Are the trees debarked before<br>chipping? <br><br> <br><br>Just getting started,<br><br>Pet e Stanaitis <br><br>-----------------<br><br> <br><br>From: gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org<br>[mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of<br>doug.williams<br>Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 11:26 PM<br>To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<br>Subject: [Gasification] Fluidyne Update Photos.<br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br>Hi Gasification Colleagues,<br><br> <br><br>The new photo file for the latest update on our Californian Development<br>Project, is now available to see on the Fluidyne Archive<br><a href="www.fluidynenz.250x.com">www.fluidynenz.250x.com</a> <br><br> <br><br>Hope you can all access the file, and please let me know if you have<br>difficulty.<br><br>Doug Williams,<br><br>Fluidyne Gasification.<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20111206/76ec9e34/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20111206/76ec9e34/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:01:24 +1300<br>From: "doug.williams" <Doug.Williams@orcon.net.nz><br>To: "Thomas Reed" <tombreed2010@gmail.com>, "Discussion of<br> biomasspyrolysis and gasification"<br> <gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Fluidyne Update Photos.<br>Message-ID: <65225E23C765467591536DC7E3B83102@dougspc><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br><br>Hi Tom,<br><br>Thanks for your interest:<br><br>>Your Fluidyne gasifier and Jim Masons GEK seem to be the best gasifiers around. <br><br>I can only say that our current work with gasification, is repeating what Jack Humphries and I set out to do in 1976, bring up the technology to meet modern standards, using materials that were but a dream in 1976! As for being the best, well, I would settle for the most reliable for whatever we choose to do, but we are not trying to sell gasifiers to anyone at this time (:-)<br><br> Do you know of any others?<br><br>Well, that is a curly one, for some make claims of selling gasifiers which are hard to verify. There are many offering gasifiers around the USA as I am sure you are aware, but to what standard other than their own marketing hype, do they meet? All gasifiers that are offered for sale, should have a certificate of compliance for any specific application to sort out commercial quality systems. <br><br>We can only hope that not to many duds get sold for inappropriate applications.<br><br>Doug Williams,<br>Fluidyne Gasification.<br><br><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20111207/f48e1f1e/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20111207/f48e1f1e/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:16:42 +1300<br>From: "doug.williams" <Doug.Williams@orcon.net.nz><br>To: "Pete & Sheri" <spaco@baldwin-telecom.net>, "'Discussion of<br> biomass pyrolysis and gasification'"<br> <gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Fluidyne Update Photos.<br>Message-ID: <27A3F5624C1446069F147718215E60A6@dougspc><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Hi Pete,<br><br>You ask:<br><br> >You mentioned that some of the wood chips had lots of fines. Do you preprocess them to eliminate those fines?<br><br>At this time no, because we are testing how these types of chips behave in packed beds. It's all about surface area of the fuel changing the speed of gas making within your chosen rage of gas outputs. The rule of thumb still applies, finer fuels mean smaller gas outputs and or gasifier size.<br><br>>Are the trees debarked before chipping? <br><br>The tree tops we use are not debarked, but after drying in a log dump, much of the bark falls off as handled. Bark in itself, is not a problem in a gasifier, but mud and dirt in the bark, certainly can make for slag or clinker problems. <br><br>> Just getting started,<br><br>You might just be ready in five years (:-)<br><br>Doug Williams,<br>Fluidyne. <br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20111207/07275d85/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20111207/07275d85/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 22:18:25 -0800<br>From: quoc cuong Pham <pqcuong84@gmail.com><br>To: Gasification@bioenergylists.org<br>Subject: [Gasification] gasifier type updarft use rice husk<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAKrPZoiSjE6=HUkVobvTVzu_268-y9vDG8wnuGuPs-Me6Crxhg@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>hi all!<br>I design updarft rice husk capacity 100kg/h.there is a problem tar high,process<br>level of Moist.<br>Fuel use burn direct and no craking tar.<br>discontinuous and working gas is laborious, low-built efficency.there is<br>betterment which way neither.<br>thanks!<br>cuong.pq<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20111206/1c1bbeb1/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20111206/1c1bbeb1/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 06:44:46 -0500<br>From: Alex English <english@kingston.net><br>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br> <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org>, Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and<br> gasification <gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Fluidyne Update Photos.<br>Message-ID: <4EDF51AE.8080302@kingston.net><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"<br><br>Doug ,Tom,<br><br>Although the dazzling blue flame is but the revealing icing on your <br>linear gasifier cake. I have a question about it. Did InstrumenTom <br>measure its exhaust? Numbers?<br><br>"With all gas going to the flare stack, this flow of 147 scft/min made <br>an impressive flare roughly 2m high. In this mode, considerable <br>information is obtained from the flare, especially the presence of <br>carbon blacks, or tars, which contaminate the feathery ends of the outer <br>edges."<br><br>When I see changes in the feathery ends of the outer edges, I'm inclined <br>to think that it is from the formation of compounds formed within an <br>oxygen starved portion of the flame.<br>If black carbons or tars where carried over from the gasifier might you <br>not see them glowing lower down in the flame as well?<br>Can you make the flare flame tips change colour by pushing it rich?<br><br>Thanks for posting the report.<br><br>Alex<br><br><br>><br>> *Hi Gasification Colleagues,*<br>> **<br>> *The new photo file for the latest update on our Californian <br>> Development Project, is now available to see on the Fluidyne Archive <br>> <a href="www.fluidynenz.250x.com">www.fluidynenz.250x.com</a> <<a href="http://www.fluidynenz.250x.com">http://www.fluidynenz.250x.com</a>> *<br>> *Hope you can all access the file, and please let me know if you have <br>> difficulty.*<br>> *Doug Williams,*<br>> *Fluidyne Gasification.*<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Gasification mailing list<br>><br>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br>> Gasification@bioenergylists.org<br>><br>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br>> <a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>><br>> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br>> <a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org</a>/<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20111207/7dd7431d/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20111207/7dd7431d/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 07:39:51 -0800<br>From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles@trmiles.com><br>To: "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'"<br> <gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org>, "'Discussion of biomass<br> cooking stoves'" <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Fluidyne Update Photos.<br>Message-ID: <00d901ccb4f6$78d45e80$6a7d1b80$@com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Alex,<br><br> <br><br>I'm preparing to gasify sewage sludge in another location today but I'll<br>post the numbers. The gas flame is very steady and manageable. We can easily<br>control O2 from about 3% to 8%. NOx and CO are less than 100 ppm. <br><br> <br><br>Tom <br><br> <br><br>From: gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org<br>[mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Alex<br>English<br>Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:45 AM<br>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; Discussion of biomass pyrolysis<br>and gasification<br>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Fluidyne Update Photos.<br><br> <br><br>Doug ,Tom,<br><br>Although the dazzling blue flame is but the revealing icing on your linear<br>gasifier cake. I have a question about it. Did InstrumenTom measure its<br>exhaust? Numbers?<br><br>"With all gas going to the flare stack, this flow of 147 scft/min made an<br>impressive flare roughly 2m high. In this mode, considerable information is<br>obtained from the flare, especially the presence of carbon blacks, or tars,<br>which contaminate the feathery ends of the outer edges."<br><br>When I see changes in the feathery ends of the outer edges, I'm inclined to<br>think that it is from the formation of compounds formed within an oxygen<br>starved portion of the flame.<br>If black carbons or tars where carried over from the gasifier might you not<br>see them glowing lower down in the flame as well?<br>Can you make the flare flame tips change colour by pushing it rich?<br><br>Thanks for posting the report.<br><br>Alex<br><br><br><br><br><br> <br><br>Hi Gasification Colleagues,<br><br> <br><br>The new photo file for the latest update on our Californian Development<br>Project, is now available to see on the Fluidyne Archive<br><a href="www.fluidynenz.250x.com">www.fluidynenz.250x.com</a> <br><br> <br><br>Hope you can all access the file, and please let me know if you have<br>difficulty.<br><br>Doug Williams,<br><br>Fluidyne Gasification.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gasification mailing list<br> <br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br>Gasification@bioenergylists.org<br> <br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg</a><br><a href="ylists.org">ylists.org</a><br> <br>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org</a>/<br><br> <br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20111207/5cb6408f/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20111207/5cb6408f/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 8<br>Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 11:28:14 -0500<br>From: Tom <tombreed2010@gmail.com><br>To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<br> <gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>Cc: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<br> <gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org>, Discussion of biomass cooking<br> stoves <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Fluidyne Update Photos.<br>Message-ID: <E62E8279-F2D3-403A-B9B1-F508629A2024@gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Alex<br><br>The orange glow in the flame is incandescent carbon above 1000 C. So , in cool parts of the unburied gases you don't see the soot. But where there is a diffusion flame with air , it lights up. <br><br>It would be interesting to view the flme/gas structure with infra red goggles. <br><br>Tom Reed<br><br>From Tom Reed<br><br>AKA<br><br>Dr Thomas B Reed<br>508 353 7841<br><a href="Www.Woodgas.com">Www.Woodgas.com</a><br><br>On Dec 7, 2011, at 6:44 AM, Alex English <english@kingston.net> wrote:<br><br>> Doug ,Tom,<br>> <br>> Although the dazzling blue flame is but the revealing icing on your linear gasifier cake. I have a question about it. Did InstrumenTom measure its exhaust? Numbers?<br>> <br>> "With all gas going to the flare stack, this flow of 147 scft/min made an impressive flare roughly 2m high. In this mode, considerable information is obtained from the flare, especially the presence of carbon blacks, or tars, which contaminate the feathery ends of the outer edges."<br>> <br>> When I see changes in the feathery ends of the outer edges, I'm inclined to think that it is from the formation of compounds formed within an oxygen starved portion of the flame.<br>> If black carbons or tars where carried over from the gasifier might you not see them glowing lower down in the flame as well?<br>> Can you make the flare flame tips change colour by pushing it rich?<br>> <br>> Thanks for posting the report.<br>> <br>> Alex<br>> <br>> <br>>> <br>>> Hi Gasification Colleagues,<br>>> <br>>> The new photo file for the latest update on our Californian Development Project, is now available to see on the Fluidyne Archive <a href="www.fluidynenz.250x.com">www.fluidynenz.250x.com</a><br>>> <br>>> Hope you can all access the file, and please let me know if you have difficulty.<br>>> Doug Williams,<br>>> Fluidyne Gasification.<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Gasification mailing list<br>>> <br>>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br>>> Gasification@bioenergylists.org<br>>> <br>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br>>> <a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>>> <br>>> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br>>> <a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org</a>/<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Gasification mailing list<br>> <br>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br>> Gasification@bioenergylists.org<br>> <br>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br>> <a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>> <br>> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br>> <a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org</a>/<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20111207/1c1c8f06/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20111207/1c1c8f06/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gasification mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br>Gasification@bioenergylists.org<br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org</a>/<br><br><br><br>End of Gasification Digest, Vol 16, Issue 3<br>*******************************************<br><br>-- <br>This message has been scanned for viruses and<br>dangerous content by MailScanner, and is<br>believed to be clean.<br></blockquote></body><br />--
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