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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>NRC’s mission is to support Canadian industry, and it’s Canadian Industry (and everyone) interest to know what is being done elsewhere.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cyrille<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Manning<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 25, 2012 4:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nat Res Canada is supporting viessmann ??<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Please clarify,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Greg Manning<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Canadian Gasifier Ltd.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Decès-Petit, Cyrille <<a href="mailto:Cyrille.Deces-Petit@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca" target="_blank">Cyrille.Deces-Petit@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>You might add on your list:<br><a href="http://www.viessmann.com/com/en/products/Wood_heating_systems.html" target="_blank">http://www.viessmann.com/com/en/products/Wood_heating_systems.html</a><br>They have some commercial units in operation.<br>They also have an interesting stirling engine for micro-CHP, but so far NG based only.<br><span style='color:#888888'><br><span class=hoenzb>Cyrille</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] On Behalf Of Tom Miles<br>Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 4:11 PM<br>To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'; <a href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">mark@ludlow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada<br><br>Thomas<br><br>Who are the likely small scale gasifier suppliers that will conquer these challenges?<br><br>A<br>Ankur Scientific, India <a href="http://www.ankurscientific.com/" target="_blank">http://www.ankurscientific.com/</a><br><br>B.<br>Babcock Volund, Denmark <a href="http://www.volund.dk/" target="_blank">http://www.volund.dk/</a><br> 3 gasifiers up to 2 MWe<br><br>Biogen, Dominican Republic <a href="http://www.biogendr.com/app/en/frontpage.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.biogendr.com/app/en/frontpage.aspx</a><br> 300-500 kWe modules, Italy<br>C<br>CarboConsult, South Africa <a href="http://www.carboconsult.com/" target="_blank">http://www.carboconsult.com/</a><br> 250 kWe, Melanie, Gauteng, South Africa<br><br>Carbona/Andritz, Finland<br><a href="http://www.andritz.com/pp-gasification-andritz-carbona" target="_blank">http://www.andritz.com/pp-gasification-andritz-carbona</a><br> 3 MWe plant in Skive, Denmark<br><br>CleanStGas, Austria <a href="http://www.cleanstgas.com/" target="_blank">http://www.cleanstgas.com/</a><br> 125-250 kWe/235-480 kWth<br><br>Community Power Corporation <a href="http://www.gocpc.com" target="_blank">www.gocpc.com</a><br> 50-75 kWe modules.<br><br>E<br>EKZ, Switzerland <a href="http://www.ekz.ch" target="_blank">www.ekz.ch</a><br> Turnkey wood gasifier installations<br><br>G<br>Gasek, Finland <a href="http://www.gasek.fi" target="_blank">www.gasek.fi</a><br> 50 kWe/100 kWth<br><br>I<br>IISc, India and Licensees<br><a href="http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Technologies/BiomassGasification/tabid/68/Def" target="_blank">http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Technologies/BiomassGasification/tabid/68/Def</a><br>ault.aspx<br><br><br>M<br><br>MEVA Innovation AB, Sweden (fine wood fuels) <a href="http://www.mevainnovation.se/" target="_blank">http://www.mevainnovation.se/</a><br> 1-10 MWe; 1.2 MWe in construction Horlax, Pitea<br><br>Mothermik, Germany <a href="http://www.mothermik.com/engl/prod-1holzver-e.html" target="_blank">http://www.mothermik.com/engl/prod-1holzver-e.html</a><br> 10 plants.250 kWe<br><br>N<br>Nexterra Ltd., Vancouver, Canada <a href="http://www.nexterra.ca/" target="_blank">http://www.nexterra.ca/</a><br> 2 MWe in construction. University of British Columbia<br><br>R<br>Repotec, Austria <a href="http://www.repotec.at/index.php/homepage.html" target="_blank">http://www.repotec.at/index.php/homepage.html</a><br> Dual fluidized bed for CHP<br><br>S<br>Satake, Japan (IISc, India technology)<br><a href="http://www.satake-group.com/news/2008/080214.html" target="_blank">http://www.satake-group.com/news/2008/080214.html</a><br> Up to 900 kWe modules<br><br>Stirling DK, Denmark <a href="http://www.stirling.dk/" target="_blank">http://www.stirling.dk/</a><br> 15-140 kWe, Updraft gasifier with stirling engine.<br><br>T<br>TK Eenergi, Denmark <a href="http://www.tke.dk" target="_blank">http://www.tke.dk</a><br> 3 stage gasifier<br>U<br>Urbas Energietechnik, Austria <a href="http://www.rsbiomass.com/urbas_gas.html" target="_blank">http://www.rsbiomass.com/urbas_gas.html</a><br> 150 kWe/310 kWth fixed bed downdraft<br><br>W<br>Weiss, Denmark, two stage gasification <a href="http://www.weiss-as.dk" target="_blank">www.weiss-as.dk</a><br> 1-2 MWe<br><br>X<br>Xylowatt, Belgium <a href="http://www.xylowatt.com/" target="_blank">http://www.xylowatt.com/</a><br> 350 kWe modules<br><br>XyloPower AG, Switzerland <a href="http://www.xylopower.com" target="_blank">www.xylopower.com</a><br><br><br>Which companies have 3 operating, commercial, gasifiers?<br><br>Who else?<br><br>Tom Miles<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] On Behalf Of Thomas Koch<br>Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:15 PM<br>To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification; <a href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">mark@ludlow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada<br><br>Tom<br><br>I am sure this price level is achieveable - BUT BUT BUT - there is a major challege that must be overcommed.<br><br>You need some where you can have 5-10 similar gasifiers operating for 10 of thousans of hours each with in reachable distance from their "parent (s)"<br>and this alone needs 50 - 100 mio $ on top of the market price for the electricity - and it is possible to maintain a stable and bright and not religious brain capacity for a decade or two.<br><br>On top of that you need to start with a good idea and that is where most principles fail.<br>And what does that mean?<br>Not too complex - with a potential to handle the challenges that will come in an ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE way!!!<br><br>Examples - Vølund - Nexterra - CFBs-Repotec and this type of gasifiers will alvays have the challenge og tar/perticle gas handling issues - personally I believe it is too complex to handle in a competitive way.<br>FCC - may be large scale - but catalyst and gasifier is a challenge<br>2-3 stage - Viking - double feuer - TKE - and the likes have high temperature challenges and reduction challenges and bed stability issues - variation in gaspermeability etc Stirling show a large drop in efficiency if upscaled above 50-75 kW thus the biomass handling systems becomes very small and sensitive.<br>Entrained flow are very big and needs extensive pretreatment of the fuel.<br><br>Many things will work for some time if nursed properly by the enthusiastic developers.<br><br>Thomas<br><br><br><br><br><br>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----<br>Fra: <a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] På vegne af Tom Miles<br>Sendt: 25. juni 2012 22:51<br>Til: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'; <a href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">mark@ludlow.com</a><br>Emne: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada<br><br>Thomas,<br><br>You seem to be the bearer of good news.<br><br>Can you deliver a (3 stage) gasifier(s) to deliver 2 MWe to a grid in Alaska? What would you expect the capital and operating costs to be?<br><br>We have a few small communities with electrical loads of 1-2 MWe. Power is currently supplied from diesel generators for USD $0.44-$0.65/kWh. Good clean wood chips are available at $40-50% MC and $USD 85-100/dry ton. #2 heating oil costs about $4.40 or about $32/MMBtu (HHV). Most communities just want to produce power. Heat distribution does not exist but they could probably sell heat in a small loop for about $20/MMBtu. Is there a future for gasification in these communities?<br><br>Thanks<br><br>Tom Miles<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gasification mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address <a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page <a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg%0d%0aylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg<br>ylists.org</a><br><br>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gasification mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address <a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page <a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg%0d%0aylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg<br>ylists.org</a><br><br>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gasification mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address <a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page <a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gasification mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>