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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Nice!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>jim mason<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 25, 2012 4:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Tom Miles <<a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" target="_blank">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'>Thomas<br><br>Who are the likely small scale gasifier suppliers that will conquer these<br>challenges?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>tom,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>you might want to add us to this list. we're out this week setting up the first 100kw powertainer at the university of minnesota morris. first day looks like this: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="http://gekgasifier.com/wpgallery/powertainer-at-university-of-minnesota-morris/">http://gekgasifier.com/wpgallery/powertainer-at-university-of-minnesota-morris/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>this is not a commercial unit yet. it is the first prototype. it will likely break 100 ways and humble its makers 100 more ways before it is really done. but it demos how you can compact and integrate the full system of gasifier, engine and fuel hopper within a standard 20' shipping container.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>there is an opening this thursday on site if any want to come and visit. i'll send more info this eve.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>jim<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>A<br>Ankur Scientific, India <a href="http://www.ankurscientific.com/" target="_blank">http://www.ankurscientific.com/</a><br><br>B.<br>Babcock Volund, Denmark <a href="http://www.volund.dk/" target="_blank">http://www.volund.dk/</a><br> 3 gasifiers up to 2 MWe<br><br>Biogen, Dominican Republic <a href="http://www.biogendr.com/app/en/frontpage.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.biogendr.com/app/en/frontpage.aspx</a><br> 300-500 kWe modules, Italy<br>C<br>CarboConsult, South Africa <a href="http://www.carboconsult.com/" target="_blank">http://www.carboconsult.com/</a><br> 250 kWe, Melanie, Gauteng, South Africa<br><br>Carbona/Andritz, Finland<br><a href="http://www.andritz.com/pp-gasification-andritz-carbona" target="_blank">http://www.andritz.com/pp-gasification-andritz-carbona</a><br> 3 MWe plant in Skive, Denmark<br><br>CleanStGas, Austria <a href="http://www.cleanstgas.com/" target="_blank">http://www.cleanstgas.com/</a><br> 125-250 kWe/235-480 kWth<br><br>Community Power Corporation <a href="http://www.gocpc.com" target="_blank">www.gocpc.com</a><br> 50-75 kWe modules.<br><br>E<br>EKZ, Switzerland <a href="http://www.ekz.ch" target="_blank">www.ekz.ch</a><br> Turnkey wood gasifier installations<br><br>G<br>Gasek, Finland <a href="http://www.gasek.fi" target="_blank">www.gasek.fi</a><br> 50 kWe/100 kWth<br><br>I<br>IISc, India and Licensees<br><a href="http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Technologies/BiomassGasification/tabid/68/Def" target="_blank">http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Technologies/BiomassGasification/tabid/68/Def</a><br>ault.aspx<br><br><br>M<br><br>MEVA Innovation AB, Sweden (fine wood fuels) <a href="http://www.mevainnovation.se/" target="_blank">http://www.mevainnovation.se/</a><br> 1-10 MWe; 1.2 MWe in construction Horlax, Pitea<br><br>Mothermik, Germany <a href="http://www.mothermik.com/engl/prod-1holzver-e.html" target="_blank">http://www.mothermik.com/engl/prod-1holzver-e.html</a><br> 10 plants.250 kWe<br><br>N<br>Nexterra Ltd., Vancouver, Canada <a href="http://www.nexterra.ca/" target="_blank">http://www.nexterra.ca/</a><br> 2 MWe in construction. University of British Columbia<br><br>R<br>Repotec, Austria <a href="http://www.repotec.at/index.php/homepage.html" target="_blank">http://www.repotec.at/index.php/homepage.html</a><br> Dual fluidized bed for CHP<br><br>S<br>Satake, Japan (IISc, India technology)<br><a href="http://www.satake-group.com/news/2008/080214.html" target="_blank">http://www.satake-group.com/news/2008/080214.html</a><br> Up to 900 kWe modules<br><br>Stirling DK, Denmark <a href="http://www.stirling.dk/" target="_blank">http://www.stirling.dk/</a><br> 15-140 kWe, Updraft gasifier with stirling engine.<br><br>T<br>TK Eenergi, Denmark <a href="http://www.tke.dk" target="_blank">http://www.tke.dk</a><br> 3 stage gasifier<br>U<br>Urbas Energietechnik, Austria <a href="http://www.rsbiomass.com/urbas_gas.html" target="_blank">http://www.rsbiomass.com/urbas_gas.html</a><br> 150 kWe/310 kWth fixed bed downdraft<br><br>W<br>Weiss, Denmark, two stage gasification <a href="http://www.weiss-as.dk" target="_blank">www.weiss-as.dk</a><br> 1-2 MWe<br><br>X<br>Xylowatt, Belgium <a href="http://www.xylowatt.com/" target="_blank">http://www.xylowatt.com/</a><br> 350 kWe modules<br><br>XyloPower AG, Switzerland <a href="http://www.xylopower.com" target="_blank">www.xylopower.com</a><br><br><br>Which companies have 3 operating, commercial, gasifiers?<br><br>Who else?<br><span style='color:#888888'><br><span class=hoenzb>Tom Miles</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] On Behalf Of Thomas<br>Koch<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:15 PM<br>To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification; <a href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">mark@ludlow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British<br>Columbia, Vancouver, Canada<br><br>Tom<br><br>I am sure this price level is achieveable - BUT BUT BUT - there is a major<br>challege that must be overcommed.<br><br>You need some where you can have 5-10 similar gasifiers operating for 10 of<br>thousans of hours each with in reachable distance from their "parent (s)"<br>and this alone needs 50 - 100 mio $ on top of the market price for the<br>electricity - and it is possible to maintain a stable and bright and not<br>religious brain capacity for a decade or two.<br><br>On top of that you need to start with a good idea and that is where most<br>principles fail.<br>And what does that mean?<br>Not too complex - with a potential to handle the challenges that will come<br>in an ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE way!!!<br><br>Examples - Vølund - Nexterra - CFBs-Repotec and this type of gasifiers will<br>alvays have the challenge og tar/perticle gas handling issues - personally I<br>believe it is too complex to handle in a competitive way.<br>FCC - may be large scale - but catalyst and gasifier is a challenge<br>2-3 stage - Viking - double feuer - TKE - and the likes have high<br>temperature challenges and reduction challenges and bed stability issues -<br>variation in gaspermeability etc Stirling show a large drop in efficiency if<br>upscaled above 50-75 kW thus the biomass handling systems becomes very small<br>and sensitive.<br>Entrained flow are very big and needs extensive pretreatment of the fuel.<br><br>Many things will work for some time if nursed properly by the enthusiastic<br>developers.<br><br>Thomas<br><br><br><br><br><br>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----<br>Fra: <a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] På vegne af Tom Miles<br>Sendt: 25. juni 2012 22:51<br>Til: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'; <a href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">mark@ludlow.com</a><br>Emne: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia,<br>Vancouver, Canada<br><br>Thomas,<br><br>You seem to be the bearer of good news.<br><br>Can you deliver a (3 stage) gasifier(s) to deliver 2 MWe to a grid in<br>Alaska? What would you expect the capital and operating costs to be?<br><br>We have a few small communities with electrical loads of 1-2 MWe. Power is<br>currently supplied from diesel generators for USD $0.44-$0.65/kWh. Good<br>clean wood chips are available at $40-50% MC and $USD 85-100/dry ton. #2<br>heating oil costs about $4.40 or about $32/MMBtu (HHV). Most communities<br>just want to produce power. Heat distribution does not exist but they could<br>probably sell heat in a small loop for about $20/MMBtu. Is there a future<br>for gasification in these communities?<br><br>Thanks<br><br>Tom Miles<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gasification mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg%0d%0aylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg<br>ylists.org</a><br><br>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gasification mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg%0d%0aylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg<br>ylists.org</a><br><br>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gasification mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Gasification@bioenergylists.org">Gasification@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>-- <br>------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Jim Mason<br>Website: <a href="http://www.whatiamupto.com">http://www.whatiamupto.com</a><br>Current Projects: <br> - Gasifier Experimenters Kit (the GEK): <a href="http://www.gekgasifier.com">http://www.gekgasifier.com</a><br> - Escape from Berkeley alt fuels vehicle race: <a href="http://www.escapefromberkeley.com">www.escapefromberkeley.com</a><br> - ALL Power Labs on Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/allpowerlabs">http://twitter.com/allpowerlabs</a><br> - Shipyard Announce list: <a href="http://lists.spaceship.com/listinfo.cgi/icp-spaceship.com">http://lists.spaceship.com/listinfo.cgi/icp-spaceship.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>