Nat Res Canada is supporting viessmann ??<div><br></div><div>Please clarify,</div><div><br></div><div>Greg Manning</div><div><br></div><div>Canadian Gasifier Ltd.</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Decès-Petit, Cyrille <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Cyrille.Deces-Petit@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca" target="_blank">Cyrille.Deces-Petit@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">You might add on your list:<br>
<a href="http://www.viessmann.com/com/en/products/Wood_heating_systems.html" target="_blank">http://www.viessmann.com/com/en/products/Wood_heating_systems.html</a><br>
They have some commercial units in operation.<br>
They also have an interesting stirling engine for micro-CHP, but so far NG based only.<br>
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Cyrille<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] On Behalf Of Tom Miles<br>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 4:11 PM<br>
To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'; <a href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">mark@ludlow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada<br>
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Thomas<br>
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Who are the likely small scale gasifier suppliers that will conquer these challenges?<br>
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Ankur Scientific, India <a href="http://www.ankurscientific.com/" target="_blank">http://www.ankurscientific.com/</a><br>
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B.<br>
Babcock Volund, Denmark <a href="http://www.volund.dk/" target="_blank">http://www.volund.dk/</a><br>
3 gasifiers up to 2 MWe<br>
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Biogen, Dominican Republic <a href="http://www.biogendr.com/app/en/frontpage.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.biogendr.com/app/en/frontpage.aspx</a><br>
300-500 kWe modules, Italy<br>
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CarboConsult, South Africa <a href="http://www.carboconsult.com/" target="_blank">http://www.carboconsult.com/</a><br>
250 kWe, Melanie, Gauteng, South Africa<br>
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Carbona/Andritz, Finland<br>
<a href="http://www.andritz.com/pp-gasification-andritz-carbona" target="_blank">http://www.andritz.com/pp-gasification-andritz-carbona</a><br>
3 MWe plant in Skive, Denmark<br>
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CleanStGas, Austria <a href="http://www.cleanstgas.com/" target="_blank">http://www.cleanstgas.com/</a><br>
125-250 kWe/235-480 kWth<br>
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Community Power Corporation <a href="http://www.gocpc.com" target="_blank">www.gocpc.com</a><br>
50-75 kWe modules.<br>
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E<br>
EKZ, Switzerland <a href="http://www.ekz.ch" target="_blank">www.ekz.ch</a><br>
Turnkey wood gasifier installations<br>
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G<br>
Gasek, Finland <a href="http://www.gasek.fi" target="_blank">www.gasek.fi</a><br>
50 kWe/100 kWth<br>
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I<br>
IISc, India and Licensees<br>
<a href="http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Technologies/BiomassGasification/tabid/68/Def" target="_blank">http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Technologies/BiomassGasification/tabid/68/Def</a><br>
ault.aspx<br>
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M<br>
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MEVA Innovation AB, Sweden (fine wood fuels) <a href="http://www.mevainnovation.se/" target="_blank">http://www.mevainnovation.se/</a><br>
1-10 MWe; 1.2 MWe in construction Horlax, Pitea<br>
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Mothermik, Germany <a href="http://www.mothermik.com/engl/prod-1holzver-e.html" target="_blank">http://www.mothermik.com/engl/prod-1holzver-e.html</a><br>
10 plants.250 kWe<br>
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N<br>
Nexterra Ltd., Vancouver, Canada <a href="http://www.nexterra.ca/" target="_blank">http://www.nexterra.ca/</a><br>
2 MWe in construction. University of British Columbia<br>
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R<br>
Repotec, Austria <a href="http://www.repotec.at/index.php/homepage.html" target="_blank">http://www.repotec.at/index.php/homepage.html</a><br>
Dual fluidized bed for CHP<br>
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S<br>
Satake, Japan (IISc, India technology)<br>
<a href="http://www.satake-group.com/news/2008/080214.html" target="_blank">http://www.satake-group.com/news/2008/080214.html</a><br>
Up to 900 kWe modules<br>
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Stirling DK, Denmark <a href="http://www.stirling.dk/" target="_blank">http://www.stirling.dk/</a><br>
15-140 kWe, Updraft gasifier with stirling engine.<br>
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T<br>
TK Eenergi, Denmark <a href="http://www.tke.dk" target="_blank">http://www.tke.dk</a><br>
3 stage gasifier<br>
U<br>
Urbas Energietechnik, Austria <a href="http://www.rsbiomass.com/urbas_gas.html" target="_blank">http://www.rsbiomass.com/urbas_gas.html</a><br>
150 kWe/310 kWth fixed bed downdraft<br>
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W<br>
Weiss, Denmark, two stage gasification <a href="http://www.weiss-as.dk" target="_blank">www.weiss-as.dk</a><br>
1-2 MWe<br>
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X<br>
Xylowatt, Belgium <a href="http://www.xylowatt.com/" target="_blank">http://www.xylowatt.com/</a><br>
350 kWe modules<br>
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XyloPower AG, Switzerland <a href="http://www.xylopower.com" target="_blank">www.xylopower.com</a><br>
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Which companies have 3 operating, commercial, gasifiers?<br>
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Who else?<br>
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Tom Miles<br>
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Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:15 PM<br>
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification; <a href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">mark@ludlow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada<br>
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Tom<br>
<br>
I am sure this price level is achieveable - BUT BUT BUT - there is a major challege that must be overcommed.<br>
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You need some where you can have 5-10 similar gasifiers operating for 10 of thousans of hours each with in reachable distance from their "parent (s)"<br>
and this alone needs 50 - 100 mio $ on top of the market price for the electricity - and it is possible to maintain a stable and bright and not religious brain capacity for a decade or two.<br>
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On top of that you need to start with a good idea and that is where most principles fail.<br>
And what does that mean?<br>
Not too complex - with a potential to handle the challenges that will come in an ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE way!!!<br>
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Examples - Vølund - Nexterra - CFBs-Repotec and this type of gasifiers will alvays have the challenge og tar/perticle gas handling issues - personally I believe it is too complex to handle in a competitive way.<br>
FCC - may be large scale - but catalyst and gasifier is a challenge<br>
2-3 stage - Viking - double feuer - TKE - and the likes have high temperature challenges and reduction challenges and bed stability issues - variation in gaspermeability etc Stirling show a large drop in efficiency if upscaled above 50-75 kW thus the biomass handling systems becomes very small and sensitive.<br>
Entrained flow are very big and needs extensive pretreatment of the fuel.<br>
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Many things will work for some time if nursed properly by the enthusiastic developers.<br>
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Thomas<br>
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Sendt: 25. juni 2012 22:51<br>
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Emne: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada<br>
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Thomas,<br>
<br>
You seem to be the bearer of good news.<br>
<br>
Can you deliver a (3 stage) gasifier(s) to deliver 2 MWe to a grid in Alaska? What would you expect the capital and operating costs to be?<br>
<br>
We have a few small communities with electrical loads of 1-2 MWe. Power is currently supplied from diesel generators for USD $0.44-$0.65/kWh. Good clean wood chips are available at $40-50% MC and $USD 85-100/dry ton. #2 heating oil costs about $4.40 or about $32/MMBtu (HHV). Most communities just want to produce power. Heat distribution does not exist but they could probably sell heat in a small loop for about $20/MMBtu. Is there a future for gasification in these communities?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
Tom Miles<br>
<br>
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